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I want CCP to abandon DUST

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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-08 05:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-06-08 05:23:28 UTC
It's ok, it's been banished to the underworld of consoles where it will remain

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-08 05:27:20 UTC
It won't bleed EvE dry. Two different markets.

The problem is DUST isn't a standalone MMOFPS. It needs it's own space, literally. Not piggybacked on an established IP.

The gaming world is littered with such attempts. They fail because it's half of what they could've been if not tethered to an established IP.

It's like Blizzard tying Diablo III into WoW. It wouldn't work, and it hampers both franchises if it were linked. Two different worlds, two different play styles. Best in their own.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Barakkus
#4 - 2013-06-08 05:28:52 UTC
I don't want them to abandon it, I want them to port it to PC so I can play it. I would probably be all over that.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Iszi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-08 05:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Iszi
I don't have any console gaming systems, and I have no plans to get one. That being said, I think the gaming communities from each are different. I don't think merging them will be easy. A lot of old time pc players could give up on it. The console crowd might never give it a chance.

If CCP falls into the "money>all" trap, I can forsee a lot of people leaving - however if they don't take ALL players into consideration, the game(s) will stagnate and lose players anyway.
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-06-08 05:33:32 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It won't bleed EvE dry. Two different markets.

The problem is DUST isn't a standalone MMOFPS. It needs it's own space, literally. Not piggybacked on an established IP.

The gaming world is littered with such attempts. They fail because it's half of what they could've been if not tethered to an established IP.

It's like Blizzard tying Diablo III into WoW. It wouldn't work, and it hampers both franchises if it were linked. Two different worlds, two different play styles. Best in their own.


But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.

I know CCP is given to pie in the sky projections, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I know DUST will never be a success in it's own right, I know that as a fact, as I'm sure many people do. I really wish people who already know this, would stop protecting DUST and help CCP get rid of it.
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
#7 - 2013-06-08 05:35:24 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my mind imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?


Dust514 is a cool game and it's already a success.
When EVE started, there were lot's of peeps who told pretty much the same story like the OP - " EVE is a failure and going to die some horrible death".

Well EVE has been dieing for 10 years now, but as a long there's still one pilot flying or one merc stomping the grounds, EVE and DUST514 will be around.
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-06-08 05:37:17 UTC
Charles Javeroux wrote:
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my mind imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?


Dust514 is a cool game and it's already a success.
When EVE started, there were lot's of peeps who told pretty much the same story like the OP - " EVE is a failure and going to die some horrible death".

Well EVE has been dieing for 10 years now, but as a long there's still one pilot flying or one merc stomping the grounds, EVE and DUST514 will be around.


The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet.
Niko medes
Freeman Technologies
#9 - 2013-06-08 05:45:19 UTC
Give it time. Beta is a beta and it has barely been out of launch for a month.

Hell it isn't even in effect in Null yet, lets see what comes of it then.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#10 - 2013-06-08 05:50:36 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet.

No, its not. And no, not really.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-08 05:52:29 UTC
Dust is awesome and has the potential to be even more awesome. It takes time to develop and implement all cool things ccp is aiming for with the game.

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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-06-08 05:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Lykouleon wrote:
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet.

No, its not. And no, not really.


You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules.

(Notice how I stopped reading at your first word, the rest are even worse)

Ryuu Shi wrote:
Dust is awesome and has the potential to be even more awesome. It takes time to develop and implement all cool things ccp is aiming for with the game.


But that isn't exactly how I understand the gaming market to work? Care to elaborate how this is good for EVE or even DUST?
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-06-08 06:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Just a reminder that this is your money going to a console game you probably don't even play.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#14 - 2013-06-08 06:08:07 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules.

Do you even understand how video games get funded, outside of the "HURRR HURRR KICKSTARTAR" system?

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Torakenat
Minerva Group
Pacto
#15 - 2013-06-08 06:13:04 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:

But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.

I know CCP is given to pie in the sky projections, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I know DUST will never be a success in it's own right, I know that as a fact, as I'm sure many people do. I really wish people who already know this, would stop protecting DUST and help CCP get rid of it.


What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.

No one wants to see CCP fail, and many people will grandstand to show support.

CCP are not foolish enough to allow their core product be substantially impacted by their side venture.

Eve is a resounding success and Dust is still a baby. Let's see what happens after Dust learns how to walk and run before we start condeming and pitchforking.

It's great that you are passionate about EVE..we all are...well most of us :P However, I strongly feel you need to learn when to chill, sit back and relax to see what happens. Being ethnocentric in thinking that eve online cannot grow and expand without dying is at best disturbing.
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-08 06:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Delen Ormand
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
Just a reminder that this is your money going to a console game you probably don't even play.


Dunno about yours, but my money is going to a company in return for access to a game they made. How they spend it, well that's their affair :P
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-06-08 06:16:53 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules.

Do you even understand how video games get funded, outside of the "HURRR HURRR KICKSTARTAR" system?


I know you have a solemn duty to defend other internet users who paid 10 US , 13 euro to join the same internet forum , but DUST is clearly being funded by CCP based on EVE and it's projected revenue. Our money was and has been used on DUST. Now please shave your neck.
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-06-08 06:18:02 UTC
Torakenat wrote:


What facts?


"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#19 - 2013-06-08 06:27:08 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
Torakenat wrote:


What facts?


"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.


Don't even start that ****. I'm autistic, and I've never said "I know it is a fact". Instead, I say "it is a fact because [insert evidence here]".

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#20 - 2013-06-08 06:32:29 UTC
Quote:

But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.


If its failing then Eve isn't bringing anything to it?

So which is it?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

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