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People aren't trying to troll you, Namasta. We're just pointing out that you misread the dev blogs.

What you thought the dev blogs were saying:
"Your ability to train skills for ships will remain the same"

What the dev blogs said:
"Your ability to continue using the ships you can currently fly will remain the same"

CCP even went as far as specifying what you should do to take the most advantage of the changes (they specifically noted training BC to 5 and all cruisers to 3 was a good idea if you wanted to max out SP gain in Odyssey), but I don't think you understood that part very well.

Because you could not fly them before the patch.
You should have skilled all the cruisers to III before. You failed to do so.

Sure you do. You just didn't complete the entire process to get the most out of the switch.

You simply got skills worth exactly the time you've trained. No more, no less. Had you been given a straight SP reimbursement because you had no cruiser skills, it would have been the same (and would have mirrored how the learning skills were handled).

The only way to get more SP than you had actually trained for was to get all the cruiser skills at lvl III or more, and even then, all that happened was that you retained exactly the same abilities you had before. That's what this whole switch was about: to ensure that everyone could keep flying the same ships with the same bonuses. That's why they only handed out the BC (and destroyer) skills that covered the ships you could already fly, rather than hand out new abilities out of nowhere.

…and the question on everyone's mind is why didn't you spend those few hours, especially given all the information and the explicit suggestion from CCP that you do?

You were not “fuckend up by CCP” — you made a bad choice and didn't follow their suggestion to maximise what you could get out of this patch. As a result, you can still fly exactly the same things you could before the patch… which was the intention of the design all along.

nope. tell that to someone else....

i understand position of that few players in this thread, and i think i will not hear any new. only that you have the same capability as before patch, but thats not true and if i tell that story to any lawyer thay will tell that im right and its not the same character.

P.S. im going to sleep, thank you all for your support.

CCP said "If you can fly it before the patch, you will be able to fly it after the patch."

Nowhere did they say "If you can't fly it before the patch, you'll have the same training time to fly it after the patch."

You could not fly those racial battlecruisers before the patch, now you still can't.

You knew the patch was coming. You knew skills were changing. You failed to adjust your training to make best use of that.

Depending on how definite an announcement you're counting, they gave you 18 months, 7 months, or 5 months warning to train at most ~38 days worth of skills (in your case, just 4 days of skills).

The only thing suing CCP will accomplish is likely getting you banned from EVE (and any other games CCP may eventually produce).

Any lawyer would tell you that you are an idiot, but thank you for the money you spent to get a consultation.

PS nobody in this thread is supporting you

I understand why you are upset, however I can't see you getting the resolution you want because the rules for sp were pretty clear and you are not in a position where there has been an error.

However I think your case does highlight a need for CCP to consider announcing these things in more than one language in the future, there are multiple forums and recruitment channels for non-english speakers and there should be dev blog translations for all of those.

But yes, OP, CCP did state that the only way to get all the racial BC5 skills was to be able to fly all the racial BC before the patch and have the skill trained to level 5. This is unlike the learning skills scenario because they have not removed skills and/or an ability from your account just changed the skilling time, something they gave a large amount of notice for.

While OP is just one of the many idiots that failed at reading the devblog about the summer skill change, I am impressed that he/she had no access to anything preventing him/her from being "****** by CCP".

English is not my native language either. Yet, just among the websites I browse often, at least 5 of them listed the changes precisely giving every necessary skills for the change.
Similarly, the skills to get have been precisely documented in a handful of corp/alliance emails several times and were on the MOTD as well. Finally, they have been also discussed in my native language channel and may have been on the MOTD as well.

Therefore, I cannot help but wonder if OP has been living under a rock or something.

It's worth emphasizing this; we were changing skill training so training before and after was always going to be different. But we grandfathered all previous ability to fly ships. We then went out of our way to encourage people to train all racial frigates and cruisers in addition to destroyer 5 and battlecruiser 5 so people would get the most benefit out of the changes. Here's, e.g., what I posted on Twitter

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299628968179535872
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299635699408330752
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/340781888765583360

and I know others re-tweeted and posted as well, in addition to forum replies, following http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/