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Would it be against the rules to create an alternate launcher? (Would like a CCP Response)
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Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#1 - 2013-06-07 21:39:06 UTC
I was thinking of making a multi-account launcher which hits the SSO server, get the keys for all of my accounts and pops up eve at the character select screen. Would this be against any rules?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2013-06-07 22:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Something like: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3087887#post3087887 ?

As far as I'm aware, we've still not heard back if it's in violation of the EULA or not.

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Jack O'Connal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-08 00:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack O'Connal
Technically you aren't modifying the client or using a 3rd party application to gain an advantage in game if you make your own launcher. You may, however, need to reverse engineer the official launcher which could be considered a crime under the DMCA.
VheroKai
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#4 - 2013-06-08 04:32:14 UTC
Why using launcher at all, to begin with?
Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#5 - 2013-06-08 04:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Shang Ghjuvan
If assumptions are correct (I haven't actually started trying to reverse engineer the protocol yet) you should be albe to build a launcher which pings the SSO server for a key and starts all three eve clients at the press of a button. I was also thinking about using the api (Key of 0) to get the character names and portraits to remind you what characters are on what account for an easy "Relog" button to switch character
Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#6 - 2013-06-14 08:35:11 UTC
Could we please get a final say on this?
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
HORSE-KILLERS
#7 - 2013-06-14 11:55:28 UTC
i really doubt that an application that requires you to put in your login data would be allowed.
and i really don't think it should be allowed.

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Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#8 - 2013-06-14 16:14:39 UTC
Peter Powers wrote:
i really doubt that an application that requires you to put in your login data would be allowed.
and i really don't think it should be allowed.

I don't really see the problem when someone enters his login data into his application, that's not much different from saving it in a text file or writing it down. Now if anybody else is careless enough to use this application without knowing exactly what it does with the login data is an entirely different question, but shouldn't affect the "legality" of the application.

As has been said the real issue is rather the necessary analyzing/reverse engineering of the launcher <--> server communication, which would at the very least be a grey area. And I guess this might be considered client modification, especially in the future when the use of the launcher becomes mandatory and you can't just open the client on its own anymore.
Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#9 - 2013-06-14 23:58:47 UTC
Rob Crowley wrote:
As has been said the real issue is rather the necessary analyzing/reverse engineering of the launcher <--> server communication, which would at the very least be a grey area. And I guess this might be considered client modification, especially in the future when the use of the launcher becomes mandatory and you can't just open the client on its own anymore.


I don't really think that is where the problem would be as it appears to just be using http. The hard part is getting the session into the client which is the part i'm most worried about EULA wise.
Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#10 - 2013-06-22 08:11:40 UTC
Can I please get a response?
Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#11 - 2013-06-22 09:59:18 UTC
Have you filed a petition? No? Then what kind of responce you're waiting for?
Abus Finkel
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#12 - 2013-06-25 04:20:09 UTC
Shang Ghjuvan wrote:
Rob Crowley wrote:
As has been said the real issue is rather the necessary analyzing/reverse engineering of the launcher <--> server communication, which would at the very least be a grey area. And I guess this might be considered client modification, especially in the future when the use of the launcher becomes mandatory and you can't just open the client on its own anymore.


I don't really think that is where the problem would be as it appears to just be using http. The hard part is getting the session into the client which is the part i'm most worried about EULA wise.

The EULA specifically says that you may not reverse engineer or sniff network traffic.*
But that would only apply to you as the developer of the application. CCP cannot use that clause to punish users of your launcher.

Client modification shouldn't apply as you are only using functionality that already exists publicly in the client. CCP claiming client mod for using a command line switch would be rather silly of them. Don't take anything for granted though.

*) Realistically they have no way of monitoring this, but it can be assumed to be required to develop your own launcher.