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Gerak Muad'Dib
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-06-07 09:37:15 UTC
I used to run Mag/Radar sites in lowsec with my Arbi. Sometime I came across lots of rats that I wasnt able to crack or comeone found me while I was engaging them. Now since lowsec Data/Relic sites dont have rats and also because the scanning is loooot faster I can run these sites with 3M frigate not 30M cruiser and the earnings are astronomical compared to the cost of the ship I am flying. Also frig is lot better getaway that cruiser.

I played for about 4 hours yesterday and made 200M. I can loose the ship as many times as I like and it does not bother me. This single change I sort of like, that I dont have to combat when I explore if I dont want to and still I can be running lowsec, make nice profit and feel the pvpers breathing behind me.
Eaorgan Dax
Blood Moon Traders
#22 - 2013-06-07 09:47:31 UTC
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#23 - 2013-06-07 09:49:55 UTC
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.


Yes, I can confirm that datacores drop even in highsec exploration sites now. Got a pile of them yesterday.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Eaorgan Dax
Blood Moon Traders
#24 - 2013-06-07 09:57:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.


Yes, I can confirm that datacores drop even in highsec exploration sites now. Got a pile of them yesterday.



Note to CCP: Passive income is what funds PLEX for a lot of players, especially the ones with multiple accounts.
PLEX is what gives you money, do you really wanna push on and make more and more aspects of the game active ones?
The only thing left alive sooner or later, are macro miners, you know, the "legal" ones that only have to click once to make the action work on several clients, i don't know if i'm using the correct terminology.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2013-06-07 09:59:50 UTC
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.


Yes, I can confirm that datacores drop even in highsec exploration sites now. Got a pile of them yesterday.



Note to CCP: Passive income is what funds PLEX for a lot of players, especially the ones with multiple accounts.
PLEX is what gives you money, do you really wanna push on and make more and more aspects of the game active ones?
The only thing left alive sooner or later, are macro miners, you know, the "legal" ones that only have to click once to make the action work on several clients, i don't know if i'm using the correct terminology.


The specific thing you are referring to is called ISBoxer. It lets you multi box with multiple client commands from a single keystroke, if I understand the mechanics behind it correctly. Not positive, never used it.

Also, CCP kinda hates passive income. Look at what they did with ice, moons, etc. You may not want to pin your hopes on it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#26 - 2013-06-07 10:02:17 UTC
This past Tuesday and Wednesday I was exploring/probing/hacking. (Solo)

In Highsec (0.5) - 4 hours netted me just over 675Million
In Nullsec - 4 hours netted me just over 1.24Billion

I had a problem accessing some cans due to them not being accessible, alas I did not log this as a problem but will do so the very next instant I come across it.

I'm not the best hotshot explorer, but hell man, this is easy ISK.

Laugh if you like (I know I did), I used a Gnosis for all the sites. No cloak fitted.
Only 2 combat sites in highsec where I switched to a Caracal, for the reason we know that BC's are not allowed into DED3's and 4s. The Caracal creamed those sites.

So far, I love the new exploration, really I do. Just a few minor issues (like accessing some of the cans), other than that, I would probably have made double the ISK in both highsec and null had I taken a buddy with me.

Thanks CCP, this truly rocks :)

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Paul Uter
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-07 10:12:26 UTC
All those poeple claimng big bounties , it will only last for a while and only before you manage to seel before the others

Farming is way to easy and way to abudant amount of sites.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-06-07 10:15:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.


Yes, I can confirm that datacores drop even in highsec exploration sites now. Got a pile of them yesterday.

I've done exploration for some years now and datacores have always dropped from them. It's nothing new.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2013-06-07 10:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
I've done exploration for some years now and datacores have always dropped from them. It's nothing new.


More along the lines of "I got 15 of them in the first hour I was doing this", than anything else. He was commenting on their huge drop in price. I can say to some degree, that is probably due to their increased drop rate now.


[Edit: *facepalm. Please see the below as well, I didn't even think about FW.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
John DaiSho
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#30 - 2013-06-07 10:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: John DaiSho
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.


2 things:

Datacores have droppen in exploration sites for a LONG time now, it´s nothing new.

The main reason for DCs becoming cheaper and cheaper is FW.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
I've done exploration for some years now and datacores have always dropped from them. It's nothing new.


More along the lines of "I got 15 of them in the first hour I was doing this", than anything else. He was commenting on their huge drop in price. I can say to some degree, that is probably due to their increased drop rate now.


15 DCs per hour is such an unsignificant amount that is has basically no effect on the prices. DCs are traded in hundrets or even thousands of units, every time a FW pilot cashes in his LPs.
Gerak Muad'Dib
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-06-07 10:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerak Muad'Dib
Paul Uter wrote:
All those poeple claimng big bounties , it will only last for a while and only before you manage to seel before the others

Farming is way to easy and way to abudant amount of sites.


Well .. yes

While I like the new model, I would really like if the made it harder to scan down the sites. Now its like you take the cheapest ship with almost no skills and you can scan anything down.
Suicidal Blonde
Alchemical Aquisitions
#32 - 2013-06-07 11:56:18 UTC
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
The thing i'm still most pissed about, is the fact that i put at least 6 months of training research skills and countless missioning hours into getting myself in line with level 4 research agent, only to see datacores drop in value like a concrete blob.

I've even heard the new exploration sites drop them now, i haven't done those yet so i can't be sure, but if that's the case, those prices will drop even further.


Yes, I can confirm that datacores drop even in highsec exploration sites now. Got a pile of them yesterday.



Note to CCP: Passive income is what funds PLEX for a lot of players, especially the ones with multiple accounts.
PLEX is what gives you money, do you really wanna push on and make more and more aspects of the game active ones?
The only thing left alive sooner or later, are macro miners, you know, the "legal" ones that only have to click once to make the action work on several clients, i don't know if i'm using the correct terminology.


Players who earn isk from passive sources mostly affect the isk value of plex. Not the real world cash flow to ccp.
Adunh Slavy
#33 - 2013-06-07 12:38:13 UTC
Worst thing so far for me is, finding sites with nothing in them. They do not seem to despawn very quickly.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
CCP Bayesian
#34 - 2013-06-07 13:05:02 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Worst thing so far for me is, finding sites with nothing in them. They do not seem to despawn very quickly.


We are working to find out why this is occuring. This is definitely not intentional and is very irritating.

EVE Software Engineer Team Space Glitter
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#35 - 2013-06-07 13:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Why are you running lowsec. There's no rats in the prof sites now and no need to change ships so there's no reason why a trained explorer shouldn't be going out to deepest null. It's called EXPLORATION after all, if everyone does it on their doorstep of course sites will overcrowded. Let the lowsec be for exploration noobs, a few million is big isk to a week old player. This has been a huge buff to low, keep low sites easy = more people in low, sooner. Duh.
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#36 - 2013-06-07 13:07:45 UTC
There is absolutey nothing wrong with the new system, its engaging and enjoyable. Its the first time i have ever enjoyed making isk in eve, actually its the first thing ive ever enjoyed in eve aside from pvp. The income has been great for somebody like me, i log in at luch scan for an hour and come away with between 100-300 mil isk, ive made 600mil plus from the scanning ive done which was basically one evening on patch day and a couple of hours yesterday before we decide to go and wipe out test (really messing with my scanning fun, hurry up and die test)

Maybe you need to consider running combat sites, possibly venturing into null ( the whole of null apart from fountain will be dead right now so you should be pretty safe) and being less grumpy. GG CCP GG
Haulie Berry
#37 - 2013-06-07 13:09:45 UTC
Ivana Boom-Boom wrote:
PLEASE.

First off, I ran lowsec relic and data sites for over 4 hours today and came out with about a million isk. That would have previously been over 20 million isk easily. Far more than that for the time I put in.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, there are certain containers that you can not get to. There is an outpost structure that blocks the container (though I managed to scan it and saw there was some decryptors inside!) and your drones, at least, can NOT attack the structure to blow it up to clear it out of the way.

I do see more sites spawn. Fine. That means more loot is out there...However since scanning is sooooo easy now there's also more competition AND the changes to how you gather the loot also reduces your chances of getting it all. Fine. I get that too - you want us to run in groups, etc. However problem number one... It is not worthwhile for us to split between people in a group.

So on top of the fact that it is now a lower income earning profession than planetary interaction, level one missions, and just about everything else in the game for the hours you put in...Oh, not to mention skills you train just to get better at hacking... It's more or less broken. I would really love some fixes here.

I mean, seriously...Not being able to get to containers -- that's a bug.
...and I tried every which way for over 30 minutes ramming into the freaking structure...

Hi. The fact that you made that little money means you are doing it wrong. The pay for doing it right is much higher than before odyssey
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#38 - 2013-06-07 14:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Garresh wrote:
Agreed. Lowsec scanning is terrible now because of how many people are doing it. CCP screwed us by improving exploration, so now we can't be the special little snowflakes we used to be. Clearly Odyssey is a failure.

(go to null)


Lowsec exploration is fine, in fact.... it is better then ever because so many people are doing it! I don't know about you but I'm not in lowsec to 'max my isk making' or some other economic BS, I'm here to have some fun. I simply realized doing these lowsec sites in an expensive T2 covops was gonna be a bad idea. Now that they are easier to find and take longer to complete I finally get to fight over them on any regular basis. I met 2 people in Radar sites the last 2 years. I met and even killed a few people in them in the few days Odyssee has been released. More interaction + more explosions = a better game.

EDIT: Only after typing and submitting this, I realize the post I responded to is probably sarcastic Lol
THC Trader
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-06-07 14:33:50 UTC
Made 3b in the past two days doing relic/data sites in nullsec. You're doing it wrong.
Venom13Games
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-06-07 14:43:57 UTC
Garresh wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Garresh wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
@Garresh

You've done a good bit more of this than I have, so I'd like to ask you about something in regards to hacking.

Is it just me, or are the firewalls easily ignored? I have yet to see one that actually locks down the system core. Perhaps it's just a limited sample size on my part (less than 50 sites), but the trend worries me slightly as to this potentially being trivial.

So have you actually had to hack through a firewall or defense to get to the system core?


Where are you hacking? The firewalls themselves don't lock down the system core. They lock down the surrounding nodes, which means they only lock down the core if they're adjacent. This by design, so you can circumvent them by taking a different route. However, as you go deeper into low, and null, it's not unusual to see grids with at least 10 firewalls. I think I saw like 15 once. Now factor in death combos like the Inhibitor + Regen, or the sheer stupidity of a 5x inhibitor grid, and the game gets stupidly difficult.

In short, bypassing firewalls is by design, because even in lower level ones, if you had to kill every firewall you wouldn't be able to complete it.


That's what I meant, if they are adjacent. I have yet to see any of them lock down the system core, by virtue of it being adjacent to one of them. I was starting to wonder whether or not they could always be bypassed and the mechanic ignored.

Glad to know it gets tougher in low and null. I'll give that a crack.


Huh. To be honest, I never actually clicked a core while a firewall was adjacent, cause it was greyed out. Lol well, I'd report that. I'll test it when I do another exploration run tomorrow. This new stuff is too much fun to not do another run.


Had this happen to me last night. Was too low on Coherence to take down the core, so clicked next to it to see if I could get lucky and find a power-up and a Firewall popped up and blocked the Core from being attacked. I've only run two sites in NPC null so far, but in each I've run into cans where the core was found within reach of a Firewall of some sort.

Hacking III doesn't quite cut it for running these sites in null in my Imicus, so I'm currently training Hacking IV and upgraded to an Anathema. Was about 50/50 cracking cans before they exploded before, hopefully this tips the scales a bit more favorable to me. Looking forward to testing it some more this weekend.