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The negative effect of changing of ice mining

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Dave Stark
#21 - 2013-06-07 11:52:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
dreamlander wrote:
The consequence of the way mining ice is that all miners will focus on mining the usual asteroids belt, to compensate the lack of ice mining.
This will have a negative impact to the casual players and the newbies players, because the mining is the best income for supporting the play in eve.

Before the patch, I was mining ice, now I'm focusing on mining the usual ore(plagioclase, veldspar etc.) because I dont have time to hunt spwaning ice.

The annoying part is I cant find anymore, also, the usual asteroids belt, all are depleted at the time I enter the game to play.
So, the mining is ruined for casual players and the newbies players(that are at the begining with the eve)

So,if CCP dont do anything about this problem, they will lose lots of subs.
So, I'll wait a month , if they dont do anything I quit this game.



"If I can't have my easymode AFK ISK, EVE WILL DIE!!!!!!111"


oh malcanis, you're rapidly becoming my favourite CSM member.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2013-06-07 11:54:13 UTC
dreamlander wrote:


Before the patch, I was mining ice, now I'm focusing on mining the usual ore(plagioclase, veldspar etc.) because I dont have time to hunt spwaning ice.


Strange that I don't have to 'hunt' for Ice to mine.

It's always in the same system. If depleted, it reappears after 4 hours maximum wait. It hasn't failed yet.

I'm just not really understanding your (fake) need to 'hunt for Ice'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2013-06-07 11:56:51 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
i am really confused by these threads.
ice mining is twice as fast now.
the price of ice has gone up.
so now you can mine as much ice as beofre with many hours left over for ore mining, exploration , missions, pvp, ganking other miners.
How is more isk in half the time a bad thing?
Or is it just that their bots broke?



Definitely broken bots.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#24 - 2013-06-07 12:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Noxisia Arkana
To OP: Agree that time zones are an issue (especially in 'newbie' sysstems) when it comes to mining. Not as concerned about Ice...


Would be nice if asteroid belts respawned every 4 hours (or after 2 hours when depleted)... would give those guys that don't log in at server reset a chance to see asteroids aside from veldspar in a field.

*I would like to post a disclaimer saying that I've probably mined a total of 8-10 hours in eve, and only if I'm doing something else with another account... because it's horrible.


Edit: As in new players have trouble figuring out how to find resources because they happen to be depleted when they log in to try out the venture they just bought. Not that an older accounts should be mining in 1.0 space.
Lilliana Stelles
#25 - 2013-06-07 12:12:59 UTC
I don't get this.

I have a mining alt that I just let run.

Ice mining still requires less interaction than normal mining.
All you do instead of warping to belts is warp to the little green bar in your system scanner. If it gets depleted, move a couple of systems and repeat. Much easier to click a button every 30 minutes than every 3-4.

And ice mining pays a ton better right now.

Not a forum alt. 
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#26 - 2013-06-07 12:14:53 UTC
I actually enjoy the change in pace for Ice Mining.
I used to only do it when I was either too drunk or too busy with non-EVE things or had a good book at hand.

Now it is an actual challenge - and a much faster affair due to reduced cycle times.
Well, no challenge to find the belts, but a challenge to get into them fast with some corpies and get as much Ice as you can.
Feels like an Arkfall in Defiance. ;)

Also, what someone above said is true. The further away you get from the trade hubs, the better are your chances to make a good catch. And you have to move a bit.

No more "Spaceship Screensaver Online"!

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knowsitall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-06-07 12:31:17 UTC
dreamlander wrote:
The consequence of the way mining ice is that all miners will focus on mining the usual asteroids belt, to compensate the lack of ice mining.
This will have a negative impact to the casual players and the newbies players, because the mining is the best income for supporting the play in eve.


In no way is this true. Learning to play the game and all the mechanics (read isk the guide) and you will VERY quickly see that mining is one of the worst isk/hr in the game. It however is the easiest one, some others are less skill point intensive too.

In fact for a casual player mining is an appalling return. Much better off doing industry as you can login for 30mins every few days and set everything up. Maybe an hour of hauling every few weeks to buy and sell stuff. Your isk/online hours will huge conpared to mining.

KIA
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-06-07 12:37:00 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


If people were logging in purely to mine ice and not do anything else, then the game as a whole won't miss them, although CCP's subscriptions dept might.



I actually think the biggest adjustment is yet to come. In high-sec people have started to realise that there is an over capacity of ice miners (even if some of them haven't gotten futher with their thinking than "the ice gets mined out too fast") but in null sec the shortage of capacity hasn't really hit the main stream psyche yet.

Goons are going to war with Test becuase they want Fountain moons......

That's good, but to my way of thinking, Goon economists have missed the easy mode at this stage, which is to control the ice... at least one racial flavour. If there's one alliance in the game with the ability to form a viable ice cartel it will be Goons.


What flavour of ice is in Fountain?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dave Stark
#29 - 2013-06-07 12:37:23 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
I don't get this.

I have a mining alt that I just let run.

Ice mining still requires less interaction than normal mining.
All you do instead of warping to belts is warp to the little green bar in your system scanner. If it gets depleted, move a couple of systems and repeat. Much easier to click a button every 30 minutes than every 3-4.

And ice mining pays a ton better right now.


stop being correct, and logical, and stuff. it's bad for their argument.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#30 - 2013-06-07 12:39:14 UTC
knowsitall wrote:
dreamlander wrote:
The consequence of the way mining ice is that all miners will focus on mining the usual asteroids belt, to compensate the lack of ice mining.
This will have a negative impact to the casual players and the newbies players, because the mining is the best income for supporting the play in eve.


In no way is this true. Learning to play the game and all the mechanics (read isk the guide) and you will VERY quickly see that mining is one of the worst isk/hr in the game. It however is the easiest one, some others are less skill point intensive too.

In fact for a casual player mining is an appalling return. Much better off doing industry as you can login for 30mins every few days and set everything up. Maybe an hour of hauling every few weeks to buy and sell stuff. Your isk/online hours will huge conpared to mining.

KIA


Oh God, another "Must-have-best-ISK/Hr" zombie.

Yes, it's the easiest one. No, it's not the GREATEST. But it's iconically EVE for many, many people

Some of us enjoy losing at EVE. Not all of us have magical spreadsheets that determine every second of our lives.

Hell, I can't remember the last time I stuck to an EVEmon plan for more than one or two days.

Am I the most efficient? Hell no.

But I'm having fun, so who the hell cares?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-06-07 12:42:17 UTC
I don't think you get to accuse other people of being "zombies" when you're complaining about not being able to ice mine the old way any more.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#32 - 2013-06-07 12:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Malcanis wrote:

What flavour of ice is in Fountain?


I think you and I might be facing off to find out. Smile

In fact, I used to be in IM. As a matter of fact, I've literally been red to everyone and blue to everyone in EVE at some point or other. My best friend IRL is in Raiden and it turns out he's deploying to the same battlefield as I am. There will be no shooting of primaries when I see him :)

edit: in fact... now that I think of it, I think he can pay me to not call him primary :)
Pepper Solette
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-06-07 12:47:29 UTC
"Oh look, a dead horse!" *whack* *whack* *whack*

tl:dr I don't get my bacon the way i got my bacon before.


IT'S STILL BACON DAMMIT!

** Miko Sunji:  "There is no better way to find out if you can swim, than swimming for your life."**
Vera Denjuros
Black Void Forges
#34 - 2013-06-07 12:51:34 UTC
dreamlander wrote:
The consequence of the way mining ice is that all miners will focus on mining the usual asteroids belt, to compensate the lack of ice mining.
This will have a negative impact to the casual players and the newbies players, because the mining is the best income for supporting the play in eve.

Before the patch, I was mining ice, now I'm focusing on mining the usual ore(plagioclase, veldspar etc.) because I dont have time to hunt spwaning ice.

The annoying part is I cant find anymore, also, the usual asteroids belt, all are depleted at the time I enter the game to play.
So, the mining is ruined for casual players and the newbies players(that are at the begining with the eve)

So,if CCP dont do anything about this problem, they will lose lots of subs.
So, I'll wait a month , if they dont do anything I quit this game.


You are trolling right?

Ice mining is now twice as fast and the price of processed ice materials have doubled and you dont have time to find a belt you say. So since before they announced the ice changes, the income of ice mining have quadropled but you dont have time to find a belt while you do have time to sit on your arse and mine ore all day, yeah that makes perfect sense.

Highsec is not short on resources, its just overcrowded with miners, but even then any shortage of ore/ice to mine is only because miners are too concentrated in some areas. Meanwhile some nullsec alliances have been clamoring to get miners out there so they can mine their precious ice, which is mostly just sitting there. Where I am mining atm its much safer than in highsec and much more profitable, beats me why highsec miners are so freakin scared of nullsec, its mostly empty. :P

Adapt or die, its the eve way.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2013-06-07 12:52:46 UTC
Pepper Solette wrote:
"Oh look, a dead horse!" *whack* *whack* *whack*


YOUVE BEEN READING MY DIARY AGAIN HAVENT YOU,YOU WICKED GIRL Evil

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-07 12:56:45 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I read everything... still not seeing the negative effect. Did I miss something?



No, you're ok. It's op not realizing Eve is more than High Sec and AFK mining ice or ores. They can do their favorite activity in low sec/null sec/wh's for a much higher profit, and this time CCP really didn't played them, they can do huge profits going there but if they choose to stay in high sec, they can just STFU and deal with consequences for being there.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#37 - 2013-06-07 13:00:24 UTC
Pepper Solette wrote:
"Oh look, a dead horse!" *whack* *whack* *whack*

tl:dr I don't get my bacon the way i got my bacon before.


IT'S STILL BACON DAMMIT!


Honestly, the point here is that people sometimes need time to adjust. EVE online players are a rare breed. On the whole, the average EVE player is highly intelligent but intelligence can come at a cost... higher levels of OCD and aspergers (and dyslexia).

Not everyone has the same way of expressing that they are adjusting... the OP's way isn't my way, for example, and it's probably not your way either.... but adjust he must and adjust he will.

Pepper Solette
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-06-07 13:04:35 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Pepper Solette wrote:
"Oh look, a dead horse!" *whack* *whack* *whack*

tl:dr I don't get my bacon the way i got my bacon before.


IT'S STILL BACON DAMMIT!


Honestly, the point here is that people sometimes need time to adjust. EVE online players are a rare breed. On the whole, the average EVE player is highly intelligent but intelligence can come at a cost... higher levels of OCD and aspergers (and dyslexia).

Not everyone has the same way of expressing that they are adjusting... the OP's way isn't my way, for example, and it's probably not your way either.... but adjust he must and adjust he will.



I understand that, i really do. But this is the how-many-eth (Yes, that's a word) thread about the same thing? So many threads about it. If OP put in as much time checking the forums and maybe continuing a previous thread rather than making a new one.....

And yes Ramona, i sneeked a peek at your diary. Damn girl, you freaky!

** Miko Sunji:  "There is no better way to find out if you can swim, than swimming for your life."**
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2013-06-07 13:06:29 UTC
Pepper Solette wrote:
Damn girl, you freaky!



Thats only the diary I left laying around as a test.



You should see the one with the "goat-skin" cover.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#40 - 2013-06-07 13:07:21 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I don't think you get to accuse other people of being "zombies" when you're complaining about not being able to ice mine the old way any more.


for the record, I wasn't complaining about not being able to ice mine indefinitely. I was more whinging on the min-max-ISK-spreadsheet zombies in general.

haven't tried the new ice yet, haven't mined ice since a week or two before Odyssey, hadn't for a year or two before that.

doesn't affect me too much aside from increasing prices, don't care too much.
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