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CCP when can we expect to see cloaking require interaction to stay cloaked?

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#21 - 2013-06-07 02:39:28 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ckra Trald wrote:
cloaking should use fuel over time and cloaky ships have a fuel bay/fuel use reduction

my two cents


Not a bad suggestion. I was thinking maybe a countdown timer that allows you stay claoked for X amount of time and your allowed to reset it once it drops below a specific mark.


For what purpose, though?


To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard.

Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play.

AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min.

If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are.
Athena Momaki
#22 - 2013-06-07 02:39:40 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Please just read my signature.

Really, it says all that needs to be said.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave


That is very well said.

and yes this is not  my main.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#23 - 2013-06-07 02:40:29 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Please just read my signature.

Really, it says all that needs to be said.


No one has been harmed but they have been influenced.
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-06-07 02:42:24 UTC
I think this stream recording is where CCP Fozzie and CCP (forgothisname) mentioned that they want to look at cloaking.

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BinaryData
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-07 02:46:33 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU)


Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game?


You let people who aren't actually playing the game have an impact on you? When has an AFK cloaked guy ever killed someone?


The problem is, you don't know if their active or not. That creates a fear. You Goons should know, you guys do it NON-Stop. When I flew with HBC Renters, you guys cloaky camped our systems non-stop.


It should be on random time anywhere between 5 minutes and 30 minutes. With a 30 second warning that you'll be decloaking. This won't mess up bombing runs, but it'll allow people who AREN'T at their computers to be killed or dealt with.
Lady Areola Fappington
#26 - 2013-06-07 02:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


No one has been harmed but they have been influenced.


Influence is on you. If you find someone who's been harmed by a cloaked ship, I'll show you someone who's using an exploit and deserves bannination.

Cloak works as intended. It's scary, yes. It's the submarine of this submarine game.

Use the many well-known counters of cloak to your advantage. Stop expecting :ccp: to do work for you.


Ohh, to counter your INTERACT argument....CCP has only considered game interaction required when you are deriving a direct, tangible benefit from the game. You get zero tangible benefit from sitting in a safespot cloaked, so CCP really doesn't care if you do it.

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Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-07 02:53:52 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Please just read my signature.

Really, it says all that needs to be said.


No one has been harmed but they have been influenced.


You clearly have no business playing this game, then.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-06-07 02:57:54 UTC
Oh look another one of these. Roll

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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-07 02:58:49 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ckra Trald wrote:
cloaking should use fuel over time and cloaky ships have a fuel bay/fuel use reduction

my two cents


Not a bad suggestion. I was thinking maybe a countdown timer that allows you stay claoked for X amount of time and your allowed to reset it once it drops below a specific mark.


For what purpose, though?


To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard.

Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play.

AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min.

If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are.


Guess the next step is to make your market orders disappear when you're not logged in then? Or PI installations? Wardecs? There's already countless ways to influence the game without being at your keyboard. It seems to me that the problem is not so much that they are influencing you as you're letting yourself be influenced by them. It's actually your own decision how much influence someone who is afk has over you.
Haulie Berry
#30 - 2013-06-07 03:00:05 UTC
I'd like to know when we can expect to see ingame penalties for shitposts like this one.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#31 - 2013-06-07 03:03:39 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


No one has been harmed but they have been influenced.


Influence is on you. If you find someone who's been harmed by a cloaked ship, I'll show you someone who's using an exploit and deserves bannination.

Cloak works as intended. It's scary, yes. It's the submarine of this submarine game.

Use the many well-known counters of cloak to your advantage. Stop expecting :ccp: to do work for you.


Ohh, to counter your INTERACT argument....CCP has only considered game interaction required when you are deriving a direct, tangible benefit from the game. You get zero tangible benefit from sitting in a safespot cloaked, so CCP really doesn't care if you do it.


A lot of things work as intended until they change it. Lol it would be my guess you have never seen a sub. Even a sub sitting on the bottom of the ocean requires interaction.

I like the fact that they acknowledge it in the video, means it on their radar.

I dont feel you should be able to influence the game when your not in the game and thats exactly what AFK cloaking allows.

Required interaction with the game should be across the board not just for part of the player base.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#32 - 2013-06-07 03:12:11 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ckra Trald wrote:
cloaking should use fuel over time and cloaky ships have a fuel bay/fuel use reduction

my two cents


Not a bad suggestion. I was thinking maybe a countdown timer that allows you stay claoked for X amount of time and your allowed to reset it once it drops below a specific mark.


For what purpose, though?


To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard.

Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play.

AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min.

If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are.


Guess the next step is to make your market orders disappear when you're not logged in then? Or PI installations? Wardecs? There's already countless ways to influence the game without being at your keyboard. It seems to me that the problem is not so much that they are influencing you as you're letting yourself be influenced by them. It's actually your own decision how much influence someone who is afk has over you.

I understand people will argue against it because you dont want to loose your afk ability. A wardec has the ability to see who is on and who is not ,it even gives you the ability to watch list people.

You may want to think next time before offering such a poor counter argument.

The ability to remain cloaked and not even be in game is to huge to not require an interaction. If your not AFK then press a button.

ITFU
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#33 - 2013-06-07 03:13:18 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
I'd like to know when we can expect to see ingame penalties for shitposts like this one.


Hopefully after you get banned for trolling.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2013-06-07 03:17:28 UTC
If CCP did the right thing and removed you from local if you are running a covert ops cloak ( Isn't that what covert means, ffs), then we wouldn't be having threads like this.

Mr Epeen Cool
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#35 - 2013-06-07 03:17:45 UTC
After they change cloaking and add fuel could they also require it for MWDs so we don't need to hear about nearly impossible to catch inties? ...oh and nerf nearly unscannable fits they could also impact the gameplay of pussies.
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-07 03:23:05 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard.

Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play.

AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min.

If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are.


Guess the next step is to make your market orders disappear when you're not logged in then? Or PI installations? Wardecs? There's already countless ways to influence the game without being at your keyboard. It seems to me that the problem is not so much that they are influencing you as you're letting yourself be influenced by them. It's actually your own decision how much influence someone who is afk has over you.

I understand people will argue against it because you dont want to loose your afk ability. A wardec has the ability to see who is on and who is not ,it even gives you the ability to watch list people.

You may want to think next time before offering such a poor counter argument.

The ability to remain cloaked and not even be in game is to huge to not require an interaction. If your not AFK then press a button.

ITFU


Maybe the examples I gave are different, but you're not really saying how (apart from that a wardec lets you see if the deccers are online?). And the other two examples also let you influence other people, even though you're not at the keyboard.. plus you didn't address the central point, which is that you're the one who chooses to what degree you're influenced..
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#37 - 2013-06-07 03:28:01 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
No one has been harmed but they have been influenced.


Sounds like a personal problem, really.

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Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#38 - 2013-06-07 03:28:54 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
After they change cloaking and add fuel could they also require it for MWDs so we don't need to hear about nearly impossible to catch inties? ...oh and nerf nearly unscannable fits they could also impact the gameplay of pussies.


Im sure you could ask for that if you so wish. I have serious reservations you would have any knowledge regarding pussies other then the day you came out of one.

I agree with the OP. The afk cloak may not kill you directly but it can kill you in other ways and it certainly does effect how you conduct business in SOV.

I dont see the issue,if your not afk then press that button or move that ship. I f they are making miners interact then why should covert be better or different?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2013-06-07 03:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
nerf afk market orders.
nerf afk manufacturing.
nerf afk piloting.
nerf afk patching.
nerf afk docking.
nerf afk sitting in space.
nerf afk forum whoring.

and especially nerf afk CQ.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#40 - 2013-06-07 03:33:17 UTC
Sarcasim wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
After they change cloaking and add fuel could they also require it for MWDs so we don't need to hear about nearly impossible to catch inties? ...oh and nerf nearly unscannable fits they could also impact the gameplay of pussies.


Im sure you could ask for that if you so wish. I have serious reservations you would have any knowledge regarding pussies other then the day you came out of one.

I agree with the OP. The afk cloak may not kill you directly but it can kill you in other ways and it certainly does effect how you conduct business in SOV.

I dont see the issue,if your not afk then press that button or move that ship. I f they are making miners interact then why should covert be better or different?



Free haven...not surprising when I said pussies you jumped up waving your hands around.