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Legion fit

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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-06-06 15:20:31 UTC
Looking for a cloaky Legion fit for running C1-C3 sites. Never flown one before, but I will practice with it before entering the WH.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#2 - 2013-06-06 15:24:02 UTC
The cloaky subsystem is the offensive subsystem for T3s. Meaning if you use it, you severely neuter your DPS. And the Legion is only so-so for DPS anyway.

You'd probably be better off having a scan alt doing whatever it is you plan to have it cloaky for in the first place.

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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-06 15:28:51 UTC
Well its mostly as a precaution. I only ask for Legion fits because I hear its great for WH.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#4 - 2013-06-06 15:51:07 UTC
Depends on what you're using it for. If you're looking at running sites, a couple remote-rep Tengus are an effective (if staple) way to run sites.

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Priscilla Orti
Sassy Boys Inc.
#5 - 2013-06-06 16:24:09 UTC
What he's trying to politely say is that the Legion sucks for being a cloaky PVE ship. In fact, I'd posit that all T3s with cloaky subs are no good. Either get a scout to watch for you, or run that ***** in a Drake if you're concerned about the ISK loss.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-06 17:33:30 UTC
I'm better trained for guns and drones instead of missiles. Otherwise I would Tengu and Drake it up. I have an Ishtar available, would that at least handle C2s?
chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Hostile Intervention
#7 - 2013-06-06 17:51:56 UTC
Ishtar will do. Just manage your drones.

I know a guy that used to use active zealots for c2's. May be worth looking into. That or the new Navy Harbi has some nice stats you can likely make work in your favor.
Sith1s Spectre
Dark Venture Corporation
#8 - 2013-06-07 01:56:52 UTC
If you're really set on using a legion the only way you will make it work is if you drop the cloaky sub and switch it for one of the damage subs (missiles or lasers take your pick)

You can still have the scanning sub in there, but unfortunately the cloaking Sub on a legion has no damage bonus making it a pretty poor choice for pve (or pvp in general)

Cheers,

Sith

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2013-06-07 02:08:51 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
If you're really set on using a legion the only way you will make it work is if you drop the cloaky sub and switch it for one of the damage subs (missiles or lasers take your pick)

You can still have the scanning sub in there, but unfortunately the cloaking Sub on a legion has no damage bonus making it a pretty poor choice for pve (or pvp in general)

Cheers,

Sith


This.

The Cov Ops subsystem on a Legion is by far the worst one of any of the T3s. It just has a bonus to cap use, it will sink your dps to levels at which you might as well be using almost anything else.

If the possible loss of assets of a T3 bothers you, then I suggest you use a cheaper ship. I come to this conclusion by thinking about why someone would really want the cov ops option on a T3. It's to hide. A Legion can't do that and still fight worth a damn though. If you're down to that, a different ship is really the unavoidable choice.

If you're skillsets are drones and guns, like someone else said, the Ishtar is pretty cool.

But overall the Drake is also a very popular option due to it's cheapness.

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chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Hostile Intervention
#10 - 2013-06-07 07:39:21 UTC
The legion does however make a pretty baller cloaky neut boat or a cloaky logistics platform.
blood spine
Infinity Engine
#11 - 2013-06-07 08:28:19 UTC
But if you are really set on a Legion you could go to battle clinic and see about a fit there or just experiment using EFT when they decide to update it feel free to PM me in game and ill gladly help you out with a fit.
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
Dock Workers
#12 - 2013-06-07 14:59:58 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Ishtar will do. Just manage your drones.

I know a guy that used to use active zealots for c2's. May be worth looking into. That or the new Navy Harbi has some nice stats you can likely make work in your favor.


Confirming that a Zealot is indeed badass for C2s, you can get 600 gun dps out of it and still have enough tank to run sites
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-07 17:59:27 UTC
Great feedback. I'll stick with Ishtar and look in to the Zealot as well.
About the Zealot, is it more forgiving CPU-wise compared to the Ishtar?
chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Hostile Intervention
#14 - 2013-06-07 22:54:30 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
Great feedback. I'll stick with Ishtar and look in to the Zealot as well.
About the Zealot, is it more forgiving CPU-wise compared to the Ishtar?



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Nemessiah Losshelin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-06-08 00:07:55 UTC
Either one of these is good for C1 or C2 not really sure for C3.

http://o.smium.org/loadout/1144

http://o.smium.org/loadout/955

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Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
Dock Workers
#16 - 2013-06-08 05:23:26 UTC
Here's the Zealot fit I used for C2s, you need to keep the AB speed up as some waves can just break your tank but you can easily get under the guns of the BS, 630 max dps with Conflag (useful against BS) and 450dps to 39km with Scorch. It's a really fun boat to fly, though a Harb can get almost the same performance for much less cost (except the 40km range which is basically what you're paying for)

[Zealot, C2]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Tracking Computer II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

For C3s you can use a Zealot too but it's not advisable as the tank is iffy and the dps will be pathetic. There's this cool video of RiotRick doing it in a full T2 fit though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTaP4Iamcg

I'd suggest going for a regular Legion for C3s if you already have good medium lasers skills, never tried an Ishtar though. Here's a cheap fit:
[Legion, C3s]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Ston'd Ninja
Spaceship Cowboys
#17 - 2013-06-08 16:05:43 UTC
I fly a legion in a c3 and it is my favorite ship. I have a tengu too. The legion is great for c3 or less solo with a cheap fit and anyone that says otherwise has NEVER flown it in a wh before.

A good Starter FIt.

[Legion, strter]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

it cost about 450-500mil with only one piece of faction gear that even could be downgraded but shouldnt be.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-06-08 20:36:42 UTC
I got the medium t2 pulse laser skills, just need to finish ship and subs. Will use Ishtar for now and look in to these Legion fits when training finishes.
Does the new Navy Omen compare at all or is it too squishy?
Nykr
KINAKKA.
#19 - 2013-06-08 23:25:46 UTC
Nemessiah Losshelin wrote:
Either one of these is good for C1 or C2 not really sure for C3.

http://o.smium.org/loadout/1144

http://o.smium.org/loadout/955


They wont cut it in C3. It's good in C1 and C2 though.