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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-06-06 07:05:10 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
I love the smell of tears in the morning. So many clueless themeparkers posting in this thread, they don't understand what a sandbox mmo-rpg is.


Quote:
Condemnation before investigation, is the highest form of ignorance
~ Albert Einstein

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#42 - 2013-06-06 07:07:48 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I love the smell of tears in the morning. So many clueless themeparkers posting in this thread, they don't understand what a sandbox mmo-rpg is.


Quote:
Condemnation before investigation, is the highest form of ignorance
~ Albert Einstein


Right back at you, since you are clueless about sandbox mmo-rpg games.

The Tears Must Flow
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#43 - 2013-06-06 07:08:30 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I love the smell of tears in the morning. So many clueless themeparkers posting in this thread, they don't understand what a sandbox mmo-rpg is.


Quote:
Condemnation before investigation, is the highest form of ignorance
~ Albert Einstein


None of the sov holders have held their sov from the start. All of them took it from other sov holders.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2013-06-06 07:12:45 UTC
Lol, this the usual "i can't go in people's yards and **** all over" neverending whining thread.Look at your own yard. See why people won't follow you. (Don't tell me it's not doable, even Hisec did show it a lot of time). I know metagame favours just the overlords. But you still could dedicate your eve life to a revolution, if you so entitled.
What you did now is pissing on your own toys, when you saw noone would allow you to **** on theirs. Displeasant. Be gone. **** somewhere else.Lol
I Need PLEX
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-06-06 07:15:58 UTC
floating in space wrote:
You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord

This would be good, I think we would stand a chance with Concord help and we can add more usable space to the game


Because the tens of thousands of more players there are in highsec compared to 0.0 cant get the job done? They need magical NPC assistance?
Lexmana
#46 - 2013-06-06 07:25:17 UTC
What was the last straw again? I didn't get it. It does seem to me though that you failed on your quest of taking over nullsec but maybe there are other more realistic goals that you can set?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-06-06 07:27:00 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
Power is not seized. It is gained via alliances and friends.


I think that was the point he was trying to make, unless someone else allow you to stay in null-sec you will be kicked out soon or later.

I don't think there is much point in talking about that end-game content in eve, pretty much everyone have their own opinion about what that means. When it comes to difficult goals start a null-sec alliances, without any help from a established null-sec entity, is somewhere around the top of the list.

I have a hard time seen what the purpose of making a null-sec alliance without any connection to the rest of null would be, a big part of null is fighting over territory and just fighting in general. If you just want to do you own thing and have your own place, low-sec, npc null or wormholes are probably more suited.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
I Need PLEX
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-06-06 07:27:21 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
What was the last straw again? I didn't get it. It does seem to me though that you failed on your quest of taking over nullsec but maybe there are other more realistic goals that you can set?


I believe the OP and his mining corp wanted some private systems somewhere and the neighbors didnt take too kindly to it
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#49 - 2013-06-06 07:30:07 UTC
stuff:

i can haz?

Pirate

(Contract it all to me anywhere...)

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-06-06 07:35:25 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I love the smell of tears in the morning. So many clueless themeparkers posting in this thread, they don't understand what a sandbox mmo-rpg is.


Quote:
Condemnation before investigation, is the highest form of ignorance
~ Albert Einstein


Right back at you, since you are clueless about sandbox mmo-rpg games.


Quote:
Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again.
~ James Cook

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#51 - 2013-06-06 07:52:12 UTC
EVE is a game in which you are at the helm of your own destiny. Yes, many players do indeed appear to be of simple mind and choose the easy path of supplication. Then again, there is a small but growing population of players that reject the status quo and choose to fight against what appears to be impossible odds.

OP, if it isn't too late already, I urge you to consider the many NPC null sec player run corporations and alliances within the game that offer a highly entertaining and enjoyable experience outside of the usual sov null hegemony.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#52 - 2013-06-06 07:58:10 UTC
There's so much bad in this thread you'd think I started it.

Go **** in a sandbox and see who gets affected.

Everyone does. You cant even start to have this conversation until you understand that.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-06-06 08:04:17 UTC
dexington wrote:
I have a hard time seen what the purpose of making a null-sec alliance without any connection to the rest of null would be, a big part of null is fighting over territory and just fighting in general. If you just want to do you own thing and have your own place, low-sec, npc null or wormholes are probably more suited.


But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.

Want A = do A

Want B = do B

But...

A can't do B because A is only supported to do A.

In a true sandbox, A can do B as there's no EXTERNAL conditions.

The external conditions in EvE are:

1. Dev hard limits.
2. Capital.
3. Assets.
4. Players.
5. Unintended/Intended schemes/exploits/scams (like the T3 stranglehold, which began as an exploit, which went unfixed).

The pie in the sky ideas of "Go west, young man!" in the idea he could accomplish things by sheer work, doesn't jive with those external conditions. He has to not only build his empire, he has to rely on the sovereign to even allow it to happen.

Snarky comments about singleplayer point to the fact the only sovereign in it is in fact the player, who could build his empire and doesn't have to wait for the sovereign to get their head out of their rear to fix a problem to actually have an empire.

Sandbox in EvE is conditional, there's built in limits, and some a player can't even control.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tehmajor
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#54 - 2013-06-06 08:04:33 UTC
So according to you ive been at endgame a few times? how about you pull your head in and find a part of eve that you liek and works for you and if it doesn't exist make it for yourself.
flakeys
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-06-06 08:07:05 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

.


There's more to eve then be part of a nullsec sov blob son.


I'd say most things in eve don't require you to be part of a huge nullsec block.The only things that do need you to be in one is to have huge fleetfights or km-whoring , if you want to build titans/moms or if you want to be the ultra pve carebear in the best plex's in the galaxy.


Anything else can and is done either solo or in small groups.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-06-06 08:11:03 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
He'll be back.
The real un-sub'ers are those who quietly cancel and vanish without a word. A couple years pass, and someone says 'hey, whatever happened to so-n-so?' But they're gone, and no one knows when or why.



Haha , that sounds SO formiliar .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Azbogah
Life of lively full life thx to shield battery
#57 - 2013-06-06 08:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Azbogah
Want to build an alliance?
Then do it and do it right.

"Alliances" dont just happen. They are a combination of corps with strengths that make a strong alliance. If you are just a bunch of random corps, chances are you are trash. You need to be strong in PVP to defend your space. Nobody is going to let you have sov if you are a weak pushovver alliance, they have so much to gain by just steamrolling you. Unless you can make yourself valuable to them or make it annoying to remove you. There is simply no reason not to take your sov.

Alliances are also about politics. You can start out small and work your way up. This isnt a game where everything is given to you. You must build a reputation if you want other alliances to take you seriously.

Now from other perspective, the premise that smaller corps can't survive is hilarious. My alliance is composed of four corps and we have no actual alliance leadership or desire to do it. We shoot each other just for the heck of it(in fact the reason the alliance started is we gave up trying to kill each other initially). We are one of the top 10 alliances on zkillboard and most of the corps are in the top 10 and we do not hold sov. You know why we can "survive"? Because we don't sit around whining that everything isnt being delievered on a silver platter to us. We have reputations, contacts and friends all over EVE. We live out of wspace but pretty much utilize our hole as a roaming starbase that gives us connections to all over EVE in one jump.

/endrant
dark heartt
#58 - 2013-06-06 08:23:10 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.


So you are quitting because you didn't take sov? Really? Well good luck where ever you go, I feel as though you are giving up too easy.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-06-06 08:40:06 UTC
I sort of agree but not entirely. Taking Sov shouldnt be easy. If you cant do it you'll need more people. But its true that CCP take the subscriptions from a majority of players not interested in Null and uses that income to provide the majority of content to their favored minority who are interested in it.

And the CSM is stacked with null seccers which is not right. There should be a proper balance between null, high, low and wormhole peeps in the CSM.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-06-06 08:41:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.


Eve is not unlimited freedom, the sandbox has it's limits. There are technical limitations, some limitations comes from the game design and there are limitations that comes from having to share the sandbox with other players.

Think about what you are trying to do, you want to go to the most competitive area in eve, take territory from other players, and you are upset about they are not going to make it easy for you. You decide you want to do it on your own, without any help, they decide to count on the help of friends and allies.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.