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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#21 - 2013-06-05 19:25:51 UTC
Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#22 - 2013-06-05 19:29:32 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun



No! I'll be reading these Tropes for like a week now! Damn you!
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-05 19:33:58 UTC
While the upvote campaigns were to be expected, the downvoting campaigns were childish and retarted.

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#24 - 2013-06-05 19:43:22 UTC
I wrote a story Titled. The debacle of the belligerent undesirables: conspiracy edition.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#25 - 2013-06-05 19:44:45 UTC
I'm pretty sure that those stories will simply be the loose inspiration for something written from the ground up for a viewing audience... so the story telling competence of the writer isn't really that big a factor.

What matters is that the material be appropriate for an intriguing script to be written around, and provide enough meat to allow plenty of interesting liberties to be taken with it.

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#26 - 2013-06-05 20:15:19 UTC
The rules were pretty much clear in saying how voting determined the prizes and not what ends up in comic or tv series. That part depends on the writers who are at liberty of using the material. So yes, the voting result was pretty much predetermined, but what will be in the comics or tv series? That remains to be seen.

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Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-05 20:56:09 UTC
Foodpimp wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy.


I don't have a dog in this race, but it's pretty obvious how this has worked for years. The majority of votes are typically going to go to those individuals that belong to the largest alliances, regardless of quality or content. Of course not always, but the lions share. Nothing really wrong with that, but to deny it is dishonest. It is what it is.


He's not being disingenuous at all. Of course the larger alliances are going to win anything that involves a community vote. But to call it a debacle or a conspiracy when it's anything but is being a sore loser. The real prize will be the stories that get used for the TV show, not the 130b+ isk in PLEX
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#28 - 2013-06-05 22:17:00 UTC
The OP didn't call it a conspiracy, simply a debacle. I agree somewhat, it seems like a better system would have been if player votes were perhaps 50% weighted, and then CCP had the other 50% to decide. In general though the quality of the writing was quite poor, so I wouldn't really call it a story competition, it was more of best eve event competition. And the BOB and Goon wars were probably some of the biggest events in eve.
Jmanis Catharg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-05 22:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jmanis Catharg
Although I submitted a story and got omg3votes (and one down vote, a pox on ye!), which is more than the one vote from myself I expected, and would largely agree that the highest-voting stories are pretty uninteresting as I've never really been or cared for all the alliance-bearing, I question that there's anything wrong with the way this went. (Not that it matters, but my story, fwiw)

Firstly, don't confuse 'good' with 'popular'. Otherwise we wouldn't have terms like "mainstream" which are disparagingly used to describe the things which are highly popular, but generally, pretty mundane. Everyone still "loves" them, but that's thanks to marketing, rather than the product.

Second,, if CCP really does want to make movies, comics etc. out of these stories, they want them to be popular. I've not really heard of any other games doing this, but fact is, popularity makes money and good business. Just being a good product isn't enough to get it over the line. Just look at some projects in kickstarter an example of this in action.
Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
#30 - 2013-06-05 23:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nycodemis
The simplest solution to this would have been for CCP to judge the stories or have non-EvE playing persons do so. The latter is the only way that people wouldn't be able to scream about vote coordination within power blocks or CCP favoritism. It would also have the greatest potential to highlight the best stories based on factors that CCP should have been interested in... specifically stories that would pique the interest of people that would enjoy EvE, but don't currently play it. After all, more targets is a good thing.

Thanks to everyone who submitted an entry and Gratz to those chosen, by whatever means.

Disclaimer: I submitted no works for consideration, nor did I vote. Although I have nothing against others' adventures, I'd rather experience EvE than read about it.
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-05 23:30:43 UTC
I thought the whole point in the true stories was about describing our own special personal experiences. It would be nice to simply have your story pass a quality check just to see if it is legit but having players vote on the best ones was a bit of an oversight on CCP's behalf.

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#32 - 2013-06-05 23:52:48 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy.

Only sometimes...it is.

Luckily there was nothing of real world value on the line.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-06-06 03:38:13 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
When I first read about true stories I was intrigued. A really interesting idea I thought, and I felt encouraged to begin penning a story of my own. That is until I read about how they were going to judge the winner, namely, based upon player votes. I thought to myself no matter how good a story I may write, it will never get enough votes as likely all of the votes will come from the alliance blocks as per usual in these situation.

Just as predicted, it is exactly as I suspected. Mitanni at the top spot with a pretty bland and generic take on the famous BOB disbandment. He probably just copy and pasted it from anther source and instructed all his goons to up vote it. The other stories were also pretty boring and generic, with the second place prize going to a story with literally zero literary talent displayed, more akin to a check list of events which occurred.

A wasted opportunity indeed CCP. Did you really not forsee this happening?


bitter much?

But really, CCP was smart to let players vote, otherwise CCP would've been bashed horribly with favoritism accusations.

What's happening here is far more desirable than the alternative.

I'm sure Goons would vote for your story next time if you offer enough isk as compensation Twisted

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#34 - 2013-06-06 03:55:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
There were some really interesting small gang stories that got completely ignored in favor of those written by famous players with alliance voting power. The OP had a point, though calling it a debacle is a bit overly dramatic.


My thoughts exactly. The only debacle is that anyone could have thought that this competition wasn't going to be a freebie for a nullsec trumpet blowing article.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-06-06 04:07:27 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
When I first read about true stories I was intrigued. A really interesting idea I thought, and I felt encouraged to begin penning a story of my own. That is until I read about how they were going to judge the winner, namely, based upon player votes.


CSM elections again???

So what Goon "true story" is going to "win"?

Allow this type of tomfoolery, you can't have elections or votes without the influence of a block vote.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-06 04:13:16 UTC
I have to absolutely agree with the op on this matter.

As several others have stated, it's no secret that the rather bland story that won did so because the dedicated followers wanted to support their leader. There were some pretty good stories out there that more than deserved the prize. You'd think after 10 years CCP would've known this would happen with a community like this.

Again, the outcome was more than predictable and it was a pure waste.
I Need PLEX
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-06-06 04:21:41 UTC
Lyell Wolf wrote:
There were some pretty good stories out there that more than deserved the prize


Hey guys, if Earnest Hemingway wrote a story about a lowsec roam this one time, no one would care. This competition was about Big People who do Big Things


and highsec, lowsec, any sec that aint null still cant organize for ****
Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-06-06 04:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyell Wolf
I Need PLEX wrote:
Lyell Wolf wrote:
There were some pretty good stories out there that more than deserved the prize


Hey guys, if Earnest Hemingway wrote a story about a lowsec roam this one time, no one would care. This competition was about Big People who do Big Things


and highsec, lowsec, any sec that aint null still cant organize for ****



The biased is strong with this one.

But to the matter on hand, it's about giving credit where credit is due. Not watching someone win because the followers wanted to push the "I support my leader" button
floating in space
#39 - 2013-06-06 04:36:04 UTC
So you're telling me 0.0 alliances are uncreative and uninteresting?

hmmm
Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-06-06 04:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyell Wolf
floating in space wrote:
So you're telling me 0.0 alliances are uncreative and uninteresting?

hmmm



I'm sure many of the null sec alliances have good stories to tell. The BOB story is one of many stories that if actually written well, are actually worth reading.

Let me take a moment to say I am no writer and I'm not saying I would have done a better job. But we're there much better written stories? Yes.

Again the point is giving credit where it's due. Not someone winning because the loyal subjects pressed the "I support my leader" button