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True Stories Debacle

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-05 18:19:42 UTC
When I first read about true stories I was intrigued. A really interesting idea I thought, and I felt encouraged to begin penning a story of my own. That is until I read about how they were going to judge the winner, namely, based upon player votes. I thought to myself no matter how good a story I may write, it will never get enough votes as likely all of the votes will come from the alliance blocks as per usual in these situation.

Just as predicted, it is exactly as I suspected. Mitanni at the top spot with a pretty bland and generic take on the famous BOB disbandment. He probably just copy and pasted it from anther source and instructed all his goons to up vote it. The other stories were also pretty boring and generic, with the second place prize going to a story with literally zero literary talent displayed, more akin to a check list of events which occurred.

A wasted opportunity indeed CCP. Did you really not forsee this happening?
Malen Nenokal
HEX Reconnaissance and Reclamation
#2 - 2013-06-05 18:23:32 UTC
Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that?
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#3 - 2013-06-05 18:25:46 UTC
May the tears never stop.
Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2013-06-05 18:26:26 UTC
Malen Nenokal wrote:
Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that?


They have a point though. The votes obviously just got block swarmed. It doesn't reflect actually interesting stories, just nul sec events.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2013-06-05 18:27:54 UTC
I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#6 - 2013-06-05 18:28:38 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
Just as predicted, it is exactly as I suspected. Mitanni at the top spot with a pretty bland and generic take on the famous BOB disbandment. He probably just copy and pasted it from anther source and instructed all his goons to up vote it.

Pretty much exactly what happened...

...

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-05 18:28:47 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
When I first read about true stories I was intrigued. A really interesting idea I thought, and I felt encouraged to begin penning a story of my own. That is until I read about how they were going to judge the winner, namely, based upon player votes.

Let me guess, your gripping tale was about undocking, warping to an ice belt, activating lazors, and then penning a retell of some anime.

I can see how the alliance vote matters in this case.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-06-05 18:28:47 UTC
1st time I glanced at the thread topic I thought it said "True Sansha Debacle". For a split second I thought I finally got that FFS (Forum Faction Spawn) i'd been waiting for all these years, but alas it was not to be.
Malen Nenokal
HEX Reconnaissance and Reclamation
#9 - 2013-06-05 18:28:56 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Malen Nenokal wrote:
Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that?


They have a point though. The votes obviously just got block swarmed. It doesn't reflect actually interesting stories, just nul sec events.


Sure, but there are also non-block members of the CSM. If OP isn't willing to even try then they have no room to complain.
Kanmar Centae
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-06-05 18:30:07 UTC
I read the post and viewed the poster's name and automatically read it as Emo.

Post the story and don't give a rat's if it wins or not. If the story is good people will let you know.
Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#11 - 2013-06-05 18:30:34 UTC
With a 5,000 word limit it's hard to put any amount of description on a big event like the fall of BoB, however if the reader of the story put much effort into an internet search I'm quite sure they'd be able to find a more expansive version of the story. As a matter of fact, my first hit was 9 articles and 3 videos.

High Priestess of the Sovereign Realm of Explosions and Light

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-05 18:32:47 UTC
literary competitions such as these should not be left to the hands of players whose mantra is "tl;dr" Roll
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Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2013-06-05 18:33:36 UTC
Malen Nenokal wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Malen Nenokal wrote:
Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that?


They have a point though. The votes obviously just got block swarmed. It doesn't reflect actually interesting stories, just nul sec events.


Sure, but there are also non-block members of the CSM. If OP isn't willing to even try then they have no room to complain.


Oh no I'm not justifying OPs surrender before the fight even started. I'm saying I can see why they'd be discouraged, in combination with the alt army already criticizing OPs presumed lack of nul/low activity by saying they'd 'retell an anime.'

Hah?

To me, nulsec is blob, blob, more blob. I wouldn't want to read a story about that, one after the other. Additionally, CSM is a difference situation. I can't comment on that. However, given historical reference in Eve (see Mittani's election), it's a fairly safe bet to infer that Mittens got his votes from the bee's. I read his story...wasn't that great compared to others.

Long story short, I'm just saying that I can see how OP and others would get discouraged because of vote ganking. It's not like vote gank/vote blob is a myth and never happens. It's a logical and credible conclusion.

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Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#14 - 2013-06-05 18:35:26 UTC
Did anybody really doubt which story would win anyway?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#15 - 2013-06-05 18:36:30 UTC
There were some really interesting small gang stories that got completely ignored in favor of those written by famous players with alliance voting power. The OP had a point, though calling it a debacle is a bit overly dramatic.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Emu Meo
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-06-05 18:39:17 UTC
I lost my motivation to write anything once I realised that the prize would simply be taken by the block votes. Yes, that is me being lazy, but I have other things to do and to compose a story worth reading it isn't something you can simply knock up in under an hour.

But I'm not too concerned personally, as I didn't end up wasting my time writing a story in a vain attempt to obtain an impossible prize. I just wanted to tell CCP if they read this that I think it was a nice idea, but a missed opportunity in the way it was handled. I'll probably write up another story without motivation for a prize at a later day anyway when I have some more time on my hands.
Chloe C Connor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-06-05 18:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Chloe C Connor
I discovered the "story" site a few weeks ago and started reading and rating the "stories".

To be honest, I did not find one true story in there, unless CCP redefined the meaning of "story". Everything I found read like a copy from the forums, with no attempt to even tell a plot.

Did CCP tell the authors that under all circumstances they should avoid using traditional story elements, and that they should tell everything in forum speech instead?

Was this site meant to be distinctly different from the EVE Stories site from the start?
Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#18 - 2013-06-05 18:50:18 UTC
Chloe C Connor wrote:
I discovered the "story" site a few weeks ago and started reading and rating the "stories".

To be honest, I did not find one true story in there, unless CCP redefined the meaning of "story". Everything I found read like a copy from the forums, with no attempt to even tell a plot.

Did CCP tell the authors that under all circumstances they should avoid using traditional story elements, and that they should tell everything in forum speech instead?

Was this site meant to be distinctly different from the EVE Stories site from the start?


Confirmed that EVE players aren't the next SOIAF writers.
Foodpimp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-05 18:56:24 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy.


I don't have a dog in this race, but it's pretty obvious how this has worked for years. The majority of votes are typically going to go to those individuals that belong to the largest alliances, regardless of quality or content. Of course not always, but the lions share. Nothing really wrong with that, but to deny it is dishonest. It is what it is.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#20 - 2013-06-05 19:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
GIGO, you ask who can get more votes for a creamy fart and you get a top voted creamy fart*.

This True Story issue strikes me as the exact opposite of the "design a starship" initial disaster.

The first round of "design a starship" had too few EVE and too much outside talent(?).

The True Story contest has had way too much EVE and null outside talent(?).

I wish good luck to the Black Horse guys trying to make a comic out of BoB's demise and then earn any money with it. Lol


*not commenting on the quality of the winner work.
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