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What Eve has taught me - what has it taught you?

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-06-05 13:10:26 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec.


If all you want to do is be a space businessman, hi-sec is probably the easiest place to live. You have easy access to everything you need, buying and selling is easy, and it's not very likely you are going to get wardeced.

For most people isk is a means to an end, not an end in itself. It's might not be easy, or give the same profit, to build capital ships in null-sec, but it does not mean it's not fun to try.

Don't always look a what the profit is going to be, setting a goal and actually reaching it is often more fun then making a lot of isk you don't really need.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Xamiakas
United-Empire
#82 - 2013-06-05 13:24:20 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec



if you suck at the game, means you suck at the game. you will NOT get THE billions worth items in hisec now you`ll find systems full of plexs in hisec either. if you can`t make the monies in null, you surely suck at it man. eve community will sure miss you.. ROFL. now go whine to CCP to nerf a drake or some other sh more. or.. just uninstall.

<-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father.
Paul Panala
Tax Haven Form 1040
#83 - 2013-06-05 14:04:32 UTC
A long message about why you are quitting...I didn't read it but can I have all your stuff?
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-06-05 14:11:11 UTC
So its easiest to make money starting from nothing in high sec, this is news to me!

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#85 - 2013-06-05 14:42:14 UTC
One more time ...

Thread is about what Eve has taught you

NOT

How to succeed as a builder in Eve
Leaving Eve (and all of his alts)
Interpretations on a theme of making isk and how you suck at it ...

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#86 - 2013-06-05 14:43:37 UTC
Klandi wrote:
So Doc - Eve has taught you to be a beggar?



No. It has however taught me to be an aggressive opportunist.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#87 - 2013-06-05 14:46:35 UTC
What eve have taugth me

Q: If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2013-06-05 14:59:40 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Xercodo wrote:

WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES.

You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies.

People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff.


Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!!
So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!!



NPC Null has a suprisingly amount of stuff you can buy from the market.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2013-06-05 15:02:28 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

EVE has taught me that people using belittling terms like "pubbies" have self-esteem issues and are trolling.

I earn my ISK by doing things I consider fun. Of course the definition of fun will differ with the player.

EVE has taught me that even hardcore EVE veteran players forget that EVE is a sandbox and not an amusement park. If they are not having fun, they only have themselves to blame.


Not trolling or have any issues in the esteem dept.

Enlighten me with your definition of fun - I am interested.

4yrs ago - when I was young in the game - building was fun for me. Missioning was fun. Then it started to become a grind.

Then I turned to PvP - and that was fun - then it started to become a grind.

So pray tell how a person who has done all the stuff that Eve has to offer, retains the fun



Mix the combination of all 3!! Go run a pos in a WH.

Or since you like those professions and feel it's a grind... run a corp and teach others. Get involved in incursions... get involved in LOWSEC incursions.

That CAN'T be boring.

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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#90 - 2013-06-05 15:28:15 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
stuff...

That CAN'T be boring.


Murk
Boring is not the issue. Repetition reduces the fun factor.
I have done (not with this char) all you have suggested. Protecting your POS in WH space is a challenge, in a small corp with limited tz coverage - but it starts to be a job when you get 3am CTAs because you will lose the POS and all your stuff, but definitely not boring.
But you still haven't described what fun is for you - or how you make your money

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#91 - 2013-06-05 15:30:17 UTC
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

Stopped reading here.

OP's an idiot.
Move along.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-06-05 15:38:19 UTC
Klandi wrote:
What you haven't said is how you fund your playing experience. When you lose a ship and/or need to sell off a shiney drop - where do you go?


What good is money? It is merely the window onto doing things that are fun. You need only have enough money to continue to enjoy yourself. Why have concern about money if you only focus on acquiring enough to do what you want?

So... what do you want?

Me, I like exploration. Recently, I took a lot of assets into low sec and played for a while... I had some fun, made some mistakes, lost most of it. Do I care? Not really. I had fun playing a game how I wanted to play it. It was real exploration - I went to a new environment, played in a new way.

Do I do stuff in high? Sure. That's where the trade hubs are, no? If there were trade hubs somewhere else, I would probably try that out sometimes. But they don't exist as far as I know. Don't people who hold sov ignore the trade hub economy? Aren't they their own economy? Mine, build, rat, all in their own stuffs? Maybe if you don't want to do business in high sec, you have to play the game that is there - join some sov holding alliance and build for them?

But you won't make money? So? What would you need money for? You'd have the inputs and outputs to play how you wanted...

What has EVE taught me? That I'll have to go and find my own fun, adapt myself to the people and the game. To not worry about how much stuff my character has. To make plans and execute them, for better or for worse...

EVE has taught me to play at EVE.
THC Trader
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-06-05 15:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: THC Trader
Klandi wrote:
THC Trader wrote:
Use a carrier or one of the many other options to safely move your blueprints and other **** to nullsec. If you had even the slightest clue about how economics work, you would realize that there is far more demand for PvP ships in nullsec, and most of the nullbears don't exactly enjoy going 30+ jumps to jita. So you can charge a premium for the convenience of being able to get the ships in their home system. You are clueless. You fail at this game. If anything, there is not enough risk involved. Mine in nullsec. Produce t1 hulls that match your nullsec alliance's fleet doctrine. Purchase any t2 mods you can't produce yourself from jita, ship them to null. Salvage other people's sites, and buy some rig bpos to make rigs to complement the modules and t1 hulls you are providing. You can make a massive amount of profit doing this. Anyone who has half a clue about the market knows that jita is one of the worst places to try and pull a profit. Competition always drives the price down.


So you have learnt how to fleece your alliance - your corp mates with over inflated t1 and t2 ship solely because you can. Wow


It's not fleecing your alliance. You are taking the risk and putting forth the effort to supply their market. If they don't want to allow you to make a profit for doing so, then **** them and the horse they rode in on. If you want to make excuses why you can only sell in jita, then go for it. I've provided you with almost exact instructions on how to make a profit as an industrial player. If you choose not to put them to use, then oh well. FYI, I'm not an industrial player. I pay a premium for items near my current location in nullsec daily, because I don't want to make 30 jumps to Jita to save 10-20%. I find nothing wrong with it. They're providing a service that I find valuable, and I'm paying them to do so.

On the flip side, if I were an industrial player, and someone had a problem with me selling items at a markup, I would promptly tell them they are free to stock the market with items at a price they feel is reasonable. I'm willing to bet the people bitching won't ever stock the market.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#94 - 2013-06-05 15:43:11 UTC
EVE has taught me I have disposable income that I like to waste on mediocre products.

Not today spaghetti.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-06-05 15:48:50 UTC
Klandi wrote:
But you still haven't described what fun is for you - or how you make your money


The details.

I play alone. I don't seem to ever meet anyone in the game and I'm not really sure how anyone would really benefit me in any way while I'm playing. I have a lot to offer others, but I don't have a lot of patience for getting nothing accomplished - I won't wait for other people, for example.

So, I park a T1 battleship at a high sec mission hub capable of doing L4 missions by myself. If I run short on cash, I run a few missions. Even 1 mission makes plenty to put me back in a little ship for my main fun... exploration.

When I have an exploration ship, I tend to map out a few systems and run through them. Whatever I find, I sell. When profits are high, I'll buy another big ship and fly it into a wormhole on a more dangerous, higher profit exploration. Or I'll fly a bunch of ships down to low and explore there until they all get destroyed and I'm out.

I play EVE like people go to a casino. You take some money, you have a good time, when the money is gone, you go home. For me, because I play alone, that's my solo L4 mission hub - the job that pays for my entertainments. When I've made enough at my job, I do my hobby. If I can use my hobby to keep me going, I might never go back to work.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2013-06-05 16:22:20 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec



You analysis is a little hyperbolic, but yeah, it is a major balance issue. The CSM is aware of it. CCP is aware of it. It's being discussed and worked on.

Please don't leave, because we need people to contribute to the discussion and players who will want to live in null when there's something to do other than smoosh red pluses.

There won't be real game improvement without new content.
By this i don't mean let's go pew in the next system.
Nope, content does not mean gate jump graphics. Or shiny animation for probes.
A old fresh painted thing remains a old thing.
We are aware of this.
You are aware of this.
CCP too.
And then what? I agree you guys from the CSM will discuss it with CCP. Then discuss it again. Then rediscuss. And so on. And? Something will happen? Nope. One can't steal my chicken and give it to the neighbour to force me to steal it back. Not forever. And no way i buy this as new content. And on this OP is right, sometimes this is enuf to make people leave.
***
And now all will yell at me:
But, but...they gave us new moon goo. Nope, they did not. Not for real. They kinda divided the old. Get different names. And all eve did buy it. New goo? New goo should mean different final items.
Content? Content should mean amazing things. Not just the amazing way i did press for the 100k+1 time F1.
It's doable? Yes, for shure it is.
It's convenable? Well...this is pending.



Good thing about the new exploration changes is now you can get a bunch of new BPOs! Granted, it's not officially "new content" but it is a fix and if you think about it... a new experience (which could be argued as content with the new mini game!).

Anything beyond that would simply be an argument to justify being upset.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2013-06-05 16:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Klandi wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
stuff...

That CAN'T be boring.


Murk
Boring is not the issue. Repetition reduces the fun factor.
I have done (not with this char) all you have suggested. Protecting your POS in WH space is a challenge, in a small corp with limited tz coverage - but it starts to be a job when you get 3am CTAs because you will lose the POS and all your stuff, but definitely not boring.
But you still haven't described what fun is for you - or how you make your money



Depends on my mood. Sometimes I rat (when I need a quick bounty/minerals), sometimes I'll daytrip into a WH, or scan down some anoms, sometimes I'll use my miner and mine (or both accounts).

Point is, I guess you are not obligated to do only just 1 thing to make money, or "make fun" and with all the options available, it is quite impossible to have something become a grind or a job through sheer repetition unless you decide to.

EDIT- I forgot to mention I also do PI in both highsec and nullsec. I like to use an easy rat ship with a decent sized cargo bay to go from each pi installation in (well now my navy omen, was a pilgrim originally) a cruiser and do some anoms so the umpteen jumps aren't wasted time traveling.

You'd be surprised at how not boring a few gate camps can be.

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Amelia Ryan
CONCORD Operations
#98 - 2013-06-05 16:57:01 UTC
This thread made me realize how old the "then quit allready" and "can i haz your stuff" troll statements are getting.

Is this still even upsetting people anymore these days?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#99 - 2013-06-05 16:59:07 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDn7X1aZZ3E

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#100 - 2013-06-05 17:23:08 UTC
Amelia Ryan wrote:
This thread made me realize how old the "then quit allready" and "can i haz your stuff" troll statements are getting.

Is this still even upsetting people anymore these days?


No idea - I thought the thread was about what Eve has taught people...

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking