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Plexing LP (re)newbie questions
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Siu Supjee
Heimatar Technologies Inc
#1 - 2013-06-05 12:40:36 UTC
Returning to the game from since before all these changes to FW.

So, plexing. I've found a lot of places that list the LP rewards by plex size and "tier." What is "tier"? I gather these rewards are for "offensive" plexing which means doing plexes in systems not owned by your faction yes? Or is there more to it than that?

I have read about being able to upgrade the systems you own to give them bonuses, does tier refer to the upgrade level of the enemy system you are plexing in? If so it seems like upgrading a system is a bit of a 2-edged sword (gives bonuses, attracts bad guys).

Finally, if multiple people do a plex, are the rewards split among them, or does each person receive the LP amount listed (such as 10k for a tier 1 novice plex)?
Sentinel Roqeze
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#2 - 2013-06-05 13:09:04 UTC
There are four tiers in FW, and the tier you are in dictates the amount of LP you receive when both offensive and defensive plexing. These tiers are themselves dictated by the upgrade levels of the systems owned by your faction, and apply to the entire faction, so in order to receive higher rewards for yourself (and the rest of your side) you may upgrade your local iHub by donating a portion of your LP.

The upgrade level of your system has no bearing on how attractive it is to the enemy, since they receive the same LP whether you are at tier one, no upgrades or tier four, upgrade level 5; their LP reward is dictated only by their own faction's tier.

To answer your final question, the LP is split between all pilots who qualify at the time of capture.
Ensireka Endrikai
The Crimson Elite
#3 - 2013-06-09 16:00:34 UTC
Can someone please reiterate this for me ... I had heard that you do get LP's (Loyalty Points) for Defensive Plexing, ofc, on the other hand, I had heard we do not.

Please clarify this.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2013-06-09 16:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Everything in FW gives LP now .. its a veritable smorgasbord of LP.

Defensive plexing yields less than offensive ditto, based on contested level thus:
LP Gain = Base value of plex * (Contested percentage of the system/100) * 0.75

Tiers are a FW wide modifier that multiplies every LP earned .. generally considered one of the more broken facets of the whole thing. You can see it in the militia interface and it is easy to understand .. each system = 1 point and each upgrade level to a system = 1 point, making a fully upgraded system worth 6 points.

Note: The two combined create a system where one side can get more LP defensive barely contested systems than the opponent gets offensive plexing creating a perfect environment for snowballing/steamrolling which the farming community has latched onto, the farming horde switches sides every so often to maximize profits from LP/ISK conversions.
Note addendum: That means that you will have zero control over the way the war progresses so do it for whatever you find fun, be it getting ISK fat or Mail fat .. just be aware that docking is prohibited in occupied systems so have your stash in one of the main HQ systems (easy enough to identify, or ask).

CCP unloaded both barrels into their feet with the current system if you ask me (few do though as I am a self-righteous git, so I won't take it personally when you don't Smile).
Ensireka Endrikai
The Crimson Elite
#5 - 2013-06-09 22:26:05 UTC
Veshta Yoshida

Holy smokes thats a load of input. Fantastic! Do you have any thoughts of what items would be best to buy at the LP store to make the highest LP / Isk conversion? I'd love to be able to just buy plex and not p2p.

Klu Rizen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-10 01:20:41 UTC
Ensireka Endrikai wrote:
Veshta Yoshida

Holy smokes thats a load of input. Fantastic! Do you have any thoughts of what items would be best to buy at the LP store to make the highest LP / Isk conversion? I'd love to be able to just buy plex and not p2p.



It's not hard. Just write a little spreadsheet and look at eve central for market prices. You'll probably not getting a straight answer from anybody because they themselves are also selling such items on the market. You'd be an additional supply competitor. :)

This is yet another thread about how fw works. Shouldn't somebody collect all the info and put into a sticky??
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-06-10 08:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Klu Rizen wrote:
You'll probably not getting a straight answer from anybody because they themselves are also selling such items on the market. You'd be an additional supply competitor. :)..

Pretty much this, it varies somewhat dependent on market trends. Rule of thumb is that the easier it is to move/market the lower the ISK/LP ratio as volume is high. Secrecy with regards to items is futile at this point, farm has been running for well over a year so there is lots of 3rd party data sources out there, believe the was even a conversion tool thread posted recently.

Good all round performers are the navy hulls as they are a 'hard to move, easy to sell' commodity (as opposed to cap charges which are hard to move, hard to sell/profit from), other than those you want to look at faction specific items such as the sensor implant sets (ex. Grail's for Amarr) and the ever popular munitions.

And join the call for CCP to yank some of the faction items from high-sec store so that FW can monopolize some stuff .. won't fix the broken system but would give tier1 entities something to make ends meet even with the gimped LP intake they suffer from.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#8 - 2013-06-10 13:38:19 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

And join the call for CCP to yank some of the faction items from high-sec store so that FW can monopolize some stuff .. won't fix the broken system but would give tier1 entities something to make ends meet even with the gimped LP intake they suffer from.


Your points are really good however I don't think we'll be having anything like this for quite a while since:
a) If I recall correctly, CCP said that LP stores are in general in a state of mess and need reworking which will probably be a major re-haul, once they get to it (hasn't been mentioned anywhere so far), and more problematic

b) prior to Odyssey launch, in one of those live CCP TV thingies, they said that FW as it is atm is fine Roll.
Basically, they ignored all our complaints and suggestions regarding farming alts/hordes and the problems of sov swings having very little with pvp (except for key staging systems, obviously).

We can hope I guess. As for OP, I think enough good advice has been provided - basically, eve-central and excel are your friends.