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What to do as a small group of friends?

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Jaedar Metron
#1 - 2013-06-04 22:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaedar Metron
Hi, as you can probably tell, I'm not a new player. That being said, I do play with a group of friends that are.

I had been out of the loop so to speak for around 2 years when me and a group of friends decided to try out the trial and new player experience. Fast forward a week or so and they all decided to join eve, and I went ahead and reactivated my old account.

Thing is, things are starting to drag a little. We had some fun with pve, exploration, hell, even mining. Testing out new toys, the regular new player experience, right? But now my friends are starting to reach the point where all they do is the same thing as they did yesterday. Ship training rapidly starts to stagnate as they reach Battlecruisers, and all that is left is the isk grind. One of my mates is disillusioned because he went the mining route and is now stuck on the slow path towards barges, making only at max 3m isk an hour. I can see why his morale is dropping when looking at the guy making tons of money doing missions and salvaging them.

Anyway, as the older player, I should have plenty of ideas on what we should do to keep the game fun and fresh, right? Thing is, i don't. Kind of rusty after two years, to be honest. So I come here to ask for help. Even though I'm not a new players, those three are, and so considering their skills and such, this would probably be the best place for advice.

So what things are there to do for a small group of people (3 newbs and an old fart) to do? I should note that at least one of them is vehemently against joining any kind of corporation, so I'm guessing Eve Uni or RvB is kind of out of the question. Two of them are extremely scared of any pvp, no matter what I say to them. I just want us to find some sort of thing to work on together, something other than each of us doing or own thing, grinding isk until we are all bored.

So what to do? Any help would be very much appreciated :)
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-04 23:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanzbar
my first thought is to get yourself wardeced, nothing gives a group somthing to focus on like staying alive.

besides that you could get into wormholes where there is better ore, exloration sites and the potential lurking danger of other players to make it interesting.

others here will probably give you somemother ideas as well such as incursions but i cant think of much else off the top of my head so ill leave it at that.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#3 - 2013-06-04 23:41:08 UTC
Simple: move to lowsec and do what you're already doing.

Mining? check.
Missions? check.
Salvaging? check.
Exploration? check.
Stuff that you can do with 3-5 players that is a lot harder solo? check.
Bigger payouts? check. (generally)
More excitement? go find out.

You, as the old dog of the bunch, should get them set up with an endless supply of expendable frigates. When the bad guys come calling, go blow up some ships.

Teach that guy on the "boring train to barges" that 1 day's worth of skill training can be used to tackle those big mean pirates.


Or... go out and suicide gank some miners.

Or... take on above-class missions in a gang. 3-4 frigates and a logi frigate can take on lvl4's.

Or... go scan down some mission runners and ninja-salvage.

Or... join faction warfare and orbit buttons, then use money gained to buy more frigates and get blown up.

Bottom line, team up to do stuff. Because you already have a tight-knit group. Bring that mining guy in to mine the rocks in your other buddy's missions. Or have him do the salvaging.


At the end of the day, if they're terrified of pvp, they really either have to break that or quit. There's no sense being terrified of a fundamental aspect of the game. Worst case scenario, awox their ships and then replace them (or not Twisted). Desensitization is a powerful thing. They're at the stage where losing a frigate to some other player is A Big Deal. You can break them of that pretty efficiently. 100M isk will buy an awful lot of starter frigates.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2013-06-04 23:44:08 UTC
A small bunch of friends can join a corp and make a lot of new friends, and achieve pretty much anything in EVE.

Nothing is more enjoyable than playing EVE with friends!

I'd recommend joining a corp (example: Brave Newbies Inc.), and having fun with your friends, old and new.

Even if you decide not to stay in the corp, it is a great way to get to know EVE.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#5 - 2013-06-04 23:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Jaedar Metron wrote:
Two of them are extremely scared of any pvp, no matter what I say to them.


This is your deadlock. Everything revolves around pvp. Mining? Minerals are used to make ships, mods, eventually explosions. PVP is not a matter of want/scared of/dislike, it is an absolute and ultimate eventuality to which everything you do accumulates. First make them good at avoiding it. Hugging gates, learning d-scan tricks, how to survive and most of all accepting death when they fail. It isn't permanent anyway.

Your ISK means nothing untill it its comitted to some other purpose then making more ISK. That purpose will seldomly be beyond the realm of PVP unless you count RP and social events. Getting wardecced is an excellent method of fostering some cameraderie, a common enemy will give you a common purpose. Even if you do not enjoy direct ship-to-ship combat, sneaking your POS fuel to where it's supposed to be gives you more sense of accomplishment then finishing the Nth L4 mission.

My tip would be to PVP anyway. Start your own corp. Start small and accessable, go shoot at bad men in lowsec. Make a party out of losing your implants collectively! Reimburse that loss with some of the ISK you grinded in those two years. Have your miners and indies make combat ships, and offer them something cool like a POS lab for BPOs. As soon as a few people of your corp are seen having tons of fun, even those hardcore miners will eventually get a taste for pvp and better profits. It's inevitable.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2013-06-05 00:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth, 4 of us lived in wormhole-space, doing sites up to C6 (the hardest) with multiple capital ship escalations. I really don't recommend that though, as it can get boring. We did.

I'll offer all four of you 100 million ISK each, if you join an active PvP corp [recommend Brave Newbies Inc.] and fling yourselves into battle for a month. Deal, or no deal? Send me an in-game EVE-mail with a list of the names if you are interested.

I'm 45. I've been playing EVE for over 4 years now. I currently have 5 accounts. I really enjoy EVE. Even when my ships get blown-up.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#7 - 2013-06-05 01:03:41 UTC
I will also suggest that you join a corp.
Playing with friends is awesome, playing with long term friends is even better of course! But when it comes down to it you will find that you have some different interests and so on (which you have already seen) and sometimes its nice to know that you can go out and do what you want without having to feel guilty about leaving someone behind.

This is a guide that can help you, and your friends to find a corp that is right for you. Read the whole thread please.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130755#post130755
Considering the different interests you guys have i would actually recommend an all around corp, even if many will frown on that idea since so many are convinced that all around corps are all bad and will die in 2 months Lol

One of the posters here came with a very generous offer, but i would advice you not to take it.
If two of your friends are not ready to PVP (PVP as in blowing up other players) dont force them to do it! That will just be a sure way to make them dislike the game. They will PVP when they are ready for it, and when they are ready they can decide for them selfes if they want to keep doing it or if its not for them. Contrary to popular beliefs it IS actually possibly to play EVE long term, and enjoy the game without blowing up other players Blink
Xeraphi
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-05 02:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Xeraphi
If you do missions, incursions and explorations together that can be fun. Have the miner train salvaging and passive boosting, have both the carebears train repair skills for whatever type of tank you're doing, and take on content at a higher level than you should by yourself alone. The miner giving passive boosts means he deserves part of the payout, and bringing combat drones on the salvage boat will help take out the frigs. (Miner could even be drone bunny.) The other three could spider tank.

PVP can be touchy, but it's better to start it on your own terms than wait to be ganked. All I can say is that I hope they'll reconsider. Making a few low sec roams with one of them in a cloaky scout and two of them in ewar or logi frigs could be fun.

If someone offered me 100mil to get blown up repeatedly I'd take it. Right now I've been grinding for isk and haven't really started on pvp.

New target lock death animation problem #1 ^ eye strain and pain Temporary workaround found to one of these.

Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
#9 - 2013-06-05 05:51:46 UTC
Two friends afraid of PvP? What are they afraid of? Losing ships? Buy them a couple of cheap ones, Maybe a destroyer wolfpack or something. Assign roles that you switch off, interceptor, scout, DPS. Go down into lowsec and fight pirates in the factional warfare areas. You could even go on the test server all together and spar to learn the mechanics. Your miner friend hopefully trained up the core fitting skills for his mining barges so if he wanted could switch to a combat pve pilot within a month joining on missions with others in your group to boost his standings. A tight knit group of friends in Eve can make there own corp no need to join Eve Uni or RvB. Both have public coms, I'm sure if you were to reach out to Eve Uni they would give limited access, after all many of their seminars are taught by outside corps. I also doubt either side of RvB would mind if you wardecced 1 or both of them.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#10 - 2013-06-05 06:04:56 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
I will also suggest that you join a corp.
Playing with friends is awesome, playing with long term friends is even better of course! But when it comes down to it you will find that you have some different interests and so on (which you have already seen) and sometimes its nice to know that you can go out and do what you want without having to feel guilty about leaving someone behind.

This is a guide that can help you, and your friends to find a corp that is right for you. Read the whole thread please.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130755#post130755
Considering the different interests you guys have i would actually recommend an all around corp, even if many will frown on that idea since so many are convinced that all around corps are all bad and will die in 2 months Lol

One of the posters here came with a very generous offer, but i would advice you not to take it.
If two of your friends are not ready to PVP (PVP as in blowing up other players) dont force them to do it! That will just be a sure way to make them dislike the game. They will PVP when they are ready for it, and when they are ready they can decide for them selfes if they want to keep doing it or if its not for them. Contrary to popular beliefs it IS actually possibly to play EVE long term, and enjoy the game without blowing up other players Blink


That guide has helped me a lot.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-05 06:46:04 UTC
That's a tough set of parameters man. No corp. No pvp. Yall are doomed!

Maybe form your own corp. Then go kick sand in Cannibal Kane's face so as to introduce the noobs to war.
Jaedar Metron
#12 - 2013-06-05 11:46:09 UTC
Wow, so many replies, thanks all!

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besides that you could get into wormholes where there is better ore, exloration sites and the potential lurking danger of other players to make it interesting.

I did consider probing down C1 wormholes to sneak around in, but my only experience with wormholes (I used to live in a C1 way back when) was as quite an experienced player already. I also had a POS and heavy infrastructure available to me, which we won't have for small skirmishes into random wormholes. Will players fresh off the trial be able to do anyhting in C1 wormholes? What ships should they aim for that won't be too painful to lose if the fat lady come knocking?

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Simple: move to lowsec and do what you're already doing.

This is most likely the safest bet on what to do next! I just need to nudge them a little :) With the new exploration mechanics, we should have plenty of stuff to do too, right?

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I'd recommend joining a corp (example: Brave Newbies Inc.), and having fun with your friends, old and new.

This is how I learnt to play eve back when i was new. Unfortunately, some of the guys I'm playing with just don't want to join a corp for several reasons. I agree that it's the best way to get into the game properly, be it politics, having the infrastructure to do more stuff or just the very important social aspect of it, but alas, I'll have to find another way :)

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I will also suggest that you join a corp.
Playing with friends is awesome, playing with long term friends is even better of course! But when it comes down to it you will find that you have some different interests and so on (which you have already seen) and sometimes its nice to know that you can go out and do what you want without having to feel guilty about leaving someone behind.

I agree that differences in tastes can be a problem, but so far it seems we have been allright. We'll see how it goes!

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My tip would be to PVP anyway. Start your own corp. Start small and accessable, go shoot at bad men in lowsec. Make a party out of losing your implants collectively! Reimburse that loss with some of the ISK you grinded in those two years. Have your miners and indies make combat ships, and offer them something cool like a POS lab for BPOs. As soon as a few people of your corp are seen having tons of fun, even those hardcore miners will eventually get a taste for pvp and better profits. It's inevitable.

I guess saying they are 'afraid' of pvp is a bit too strong of a phrase, more accurately they feel that it would be pointless to do any pvp because they imagine low sec is filled to the brim with 7 year old players shooting lightning out of their arses and being 8 feet tall and such. Ive tried telling them otherwise (I lived in low sec soon after being able to fly my first cruiser), but it's hard to convince them. I have however somehow managed to persuade one of them to join me in lowsec, so perhaps the others will follow? We will see :) I do think I will create a small corp for us to be in however, if only for having a shared banner. having a POS and such is probably a little bit out of our reach though (this character might be old, but it's almost exclusevely trained in combat skills) :)


I'll offer all four of you 100 million ISK each, if you join an active PvP corp [recommend Brave Newbies Inc.] and fling yourselves into battle for a month. Deal, or no deal? Send me an in-game EVE-mail with a list of the names if you are interested.

Haha, that's really generous and awesome of you! I do not want to push any of them into doing things they do not want to though, but thanks for the offer :)

A tight knit group of friends in Eve can make there own corp no need to join Eve Uni or RvB. Both have public coms, I'm sure if you were to reach out to Eve Uni they would give limited access, after all many of their seminars are taught by outside corps. I also doubt either side of RvB would mind if you wardecced 1 or both of them.
Having some blues in an area would probably help alleviate some of the fear of lowsec, how would I go about contacting BN or eve uni regarding this if/when I create a small corp for us?

I'd reply to the other replies in the thread as well, but I think I've pretty much covered things in the other replies, either way, thanks for taking your time! Reading through this has given me a lot of ideas. For now, I think I'll probably create a small corp the four of us can hang around in, and then I'll slowly nudge them towards more exiting ventures in low sec and maybe wormhole space... Thanks all! (Do keep more ideas flowing if you have any) :)

EDIT: What the... only 5 quotes per post? sigh.




Regards
-JM
Samuel Triptee
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#13 - 2013-06-05 15:49:20 UTC
I think the hesitation of some new players to enter the more overt PvP areas of Eve (low sec and null sec) has more to do with not understanding game mechanics than it does an unwillingness to compete.

As a new player it took me awhile to understand my character lost no standing within the game when I got myself pod killed, and pod killed, and podded, and ganked, and even pod jumped all over the place, and gheesh, how many ways have I lost a clone?


As soon as I became confident in my understanding of the cloning game mechanics all but one barrier in the game dissolved.


Cheers!

Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?

Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-05 15:53:32 UTC
Jaedar Metron wrote:


Having some blues in an area would probably help alleviate some of the fear of lowsec, how would I go about contacting BN or eve uni regarding this if/when I create a small corp for us?

I'd reply to the other replies in the thread as well, but I think I've pretty much covered things in the other replies, either way, thanks for taking your time! Reading through this has given me a lot of ideas. For now, I think I'll probably create a small corp the four of us can hang around in, and then I'll slowly nudge them towards more exiting ventures in low sec and maybe wormhole space... Thanks all! (Do keep more ideas flowing if you have any) :)

EDIT: What the... only 5 quotes per post? sigh.

Regards
-JM


7o Brave Newbie checking in :) If you would like to talk to us about hanging out and maybe getting blue standings or becoming part of Brave Collective, feel free to drop me a mail in game and I'll point you to who you should talk to.

Your other option could be Providence. Providence is a nullsec region, controlled by a group of alliances running on a Not Red Dont Shoot basis - so you could all form your little corp and head there, with reassurance that you wont get shot at by the locals, and then mine, hunt rats or whatever within Provi.

While, as a Brave Newbie, I am Kill On Sight in Provi (while unofficially they like us, officially our tendency to shoot at neutrals, raid Provi and so on means we are never the less KoS), I can also suggest a couple of names of people to talk to there.

Finally, regarding low-skillpoint PvP ... Ewar and logistics are your friend, and most pirates dont fit ECCM.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2013-06-06 05:43:56 UTC
I suggest blowing stuff up, it is how my friend got me into eve.

just have a few t1 frig fights with each other to get started, maybe bring out some cruisers. and once you want more blood get off to lowsec! 3 small cheap ships can compliment each other greatly.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-06 05:56:48 UTC
I'd go with wormholes - doors are different every day so it's not like static paths around the area to get bored with. Lowsec/nullsec roaming? Common from wormholes.

The only tougher part is if you do decide to live out of one via a POS -- the ever changing paths to and from them means it can be tricky to keep the POS fueled and such.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#17 - 2013-06-06 08:06:26 UTC
I am really curious as to why your friends don't want to join a corp. Are they worried about losing self-determination?