EVE General Discussion

How can you avoid a huge part of the game for so long?

The Gnosis most of us received (at least one), fit for exploration and sites is an excellent ship for 3/10 and 4/10.
Perfect for these sites along with probing and hacking.

T3 was total overkill on 3/10 and 4/10.

Oh yes the glorious tears I never ran them anyway, i just used a tengu to steal other people's loot by shooting the faction before they could




Its a bit difficult to hold true to a player driven universe when there is a ship in the game that is a swiss army knife and pretty much can do anything better then other ships.

The people who blitzed these sites in T3s are already just moving to other ships. I've already had Ishtar cruisers sweep on by me while I clear my way to the end of a site (you know, actually RUNNING the site instead of cherry picking). They force extra spawns on some gates, warp on through leaving me to deal with the extra rats, blow up the pinata, loot the cherry then swan off to do the same elsewhere.

Blocking T3s just moved them into other ships.

Removing the cherry from the site would hurt everyone be they Vet or Newbie, as this would simply make the site not worth the hassle to run for most people since the bounties and scrap loot take so much longer to gather.

I run the sites in smaller ships because I enjoy the challenge of trying to complete them in the smallest ship possible while still being semi efficient. I find I learn more about flying a ship if i'm actually in danger of losing it *shrug* It would be nice if people would stop ignoring the early room trash, or even, gods forbid, leave the site if its already being run, but, hand-on-heart I know that that will never happen, and I fully expect to be flamed for even voicing the suggestion.

Its annoying to have people Cherry Pop the site, but I live with it and just try to clear it faster myself.

Trying to prevent it happening by blocking X Y or Z ship class will just end with people doing the same lowlife thing in a different ship. Its a sandbox after all, and since "If you can, you should" is how a lot of people prefer to play the game......

Because T3's are far overpowered for any content you will find in high security space. You are talking about a ship that can fly cloaked, can be bubble-immune, can tank thousands of DPS and dish out hundreds, all while remaining mobile and small and fast and having all your exploration equipment. Why waste all that power and ability on crappy little high sec sites? Get out to low and null, have fun, make real isk.



So go do solo exploration in low sec. I don't see the issue here. I survived well on low sec exploration from around 6 months into the game until around 3 years into the game before moving on. Its fun. Nothing is stopping you, literally nothing, from doing solo exploration.



Great so whats the issue again? That you cant take your high level incredibly powerful ship into pissy little easy high sec sites?



Im sure it does indeed suck your ass.



ALL your training is out the window? So now that you cant do high sec DED sites you literally cant do ANYTHING in this game? You sound like a child sweeping a game off the table and shouting 'Im not playing the whole game is RUINED!!!' because of one little thing and going to sulk somewhere. Seriously quit the game man, if this is your attitude, we would probably be better without you

Because using subsystems that have bonuses to scanning would be unheard of to use that same ship to fly into the site =(

(highsec sites do suck however).

On a good note, my navy omen lost a turret slot without much ding to dps with a new bonus damage modifier (not to mention upgrade to drone bay for hammerhead II) and can equip a probe launcher now.

Surely the solution is, instead of further restricting what ships can be used, they should simply alter the triggers to prevent blitzing
A few examples
* The loot piñata only shows once ALL ships & trigger structures have been destroyed
* It has insane repping powers until all triggers are killed meaning it adds to incoming dps, but effectively can't be killed until it's alone
* It will never drop faction gear if killed before everythingthing else (opens up exploration to creating even more tears ;) )

Lets be honest, a HAC/faction cruiser runs them as quick (I've seen people do them in AFs as well), the only real change this create for some will be to use a 2nd account to scan instead of all-in-one ships
If anything, it can be argued, it simply means more training/isk before you can blitz them like before, which puts the advantage even more into veteran's hands

Stop right there.

It isn't reward balancing.

People just don't want to run the *risk* of losing their ships. It isn't about loot distribution, it isn't about being entitled to do X because you have Y sp. It's because people want super-shiny loot with as little risk, and as little effort as possible. Don't even try to pretend it isn't about that.

EDIT: This only applies in hi-sec.

It's also about the intensity of the gaming experience. From my perspective the best thing about highsec PvE is that you don't have to remain alert and tense all the time. No cat and mouse games with locals or roaming gangs, no directional scanner spamming, running gate camps and no scouting and traveling by your personal safespot network. You can actually enjoy the game casually for once doing an activity you like in exchage for a reduced reward level. Increased income is nice, but it's just one thing among many, that decide where and how people spend their time in the game.

pains me to +1 andski but yeah p much

3/10s and 4/10s arent meant for oyu scrubs to go around ALL of high sec speed running every single noob plex.

How about you just go to 0.0 or low sec and stop being 'giners