EVE General Discussion

As a developer myself who has worked for several companies who used agile dev including systems like Scrum and Kanban it's a system that requires a whole lot of communication. Agile dev lives and dies on keeping everyone in the loop. If a client can see an issue list, or ticket system on demand and watch all the little issues and features slowly all sliding towards the "completed" column it gives a very real sense of progress in the development process.

We are not CCP's clients, we are there customers, we are sort of kept in the loop as a courtesy which is why some people panic. But you either trust CCP or you don't and that's a decision you have to make yourself.

All this Agile and Scrum business...


I do development all day. Short projects mainly to show clients how to use an encryption API. I do this alone, from start to finish.


Like a kid at a home computer.


Sometimes I get graphical projects. Once made a little space ship fly around in a sky box for an XNA program. I tried to extract the Cyclone from the Eve files but didn't get a chance to finish that.

I feel scrum is making EVE a better game. Now what?

Explain? client buys services, customers buy services, what were customers in the past are now clients, clients, customers its just nit picking on when promise to pay is made in some cases.

The old adage "The Customer is King" seems to have been forgotten.

And CCP has no CLIENT in your sense, it has shareholders after returns on Investment at the highest rate achievable in the short term, long term is secondary.

but hey your a goon and while smart you guys can be so fk´n dumb its embarrassing

Usually I don't stoop to respond to posts like this, my toast isn't ready so sure. A client implies a two way relationship with two entities. Usually in the form of a company that wants to achieve something, and a second company that wants to be paid to see that something comes to fruition. As a means of success, be that through creation, analysis or whatever else is being offered. Example: A client goes to a lawyer so he doesn't lose a legal case.

A synonym for customer is consumer CCP gives us content and we consume it, we either like it or we don't but the process is one way. CCP lays out a smorgasbord of content and makes bank if what it lays out is popular. It is literally that simple.

As for the customer being king? No. With more specialised and less mainstream trades (Say for example the difference between selling groceries and running an online MMO) the Dunning Kruger Effect becomes compounded (hell there's enough of it on these forums) and in the end it reaches a point where it is literally safe to say that no, you're not king and you don't know what's good for you.