EVE General Discussion

You're gonna have to explain your logic VV, something that despawns is irrelevant when it respawns in a very predictable location, in fact that limited supply that comes from this mechanic makes it more desirable to form a cartel around. If tech towers only mined for one hour every four in the great heyday it would only make tech worth 4x as much. Perhaps you're just thinking of the "fix" to moon minerals of making them deplete and respawn in random locations and thus unintentionally comparing apples and oranges?


Only semi-related rambling about the viability of cartelizing ice ahead, not addressed to anyone in particular:

For cartelizing ice you would definitely going to have a much harder time at it compared to old tech due to them not being ridiculously regionalized like tech was, though each separate racial ice type is still vaguely regionalized so it's a possibility, not nearly as much as it was when it was all mined in highsec but at least low and null require less manpower per system to pretty much shut down in ideal conditions. CFC could possibly lightly cartel caldari ice due to owning most caldari sov with a very coordinated approach. It wouldn't be perfect for sure.

Killing the competition isn't really viable in highsec though, at least in terms of straight game mechanics for the average joe. If you wardec your competitors they'll just disband/reform corp or drop corp in almost all situations. As much as I'd like to agree with the sentiment of Mc Scam that's just not something your average eve joe can really hope to take a shot at with the current rules massively benefiting the defender in highsec, whether by suicide gank or targeted wardec.

It popped now. It took much more than 4 hours.


Edit:

last spawn was around 17:40, so do the math.

The belts in Aydoteaux, Tolle and Carirgnottin lasted about 15 minutes each spawn. A huge mob of ships started in Aydoteaux, swept locust-like through Tolle and Carirgnottin onwards to Anymonne and Antollare. There were enough miners already in-game immediately after the patch that the sites were only lasting 20 minutes.

Most of us were intelligent enough to set a timer upon expiry of the belt to allow us to return to the game in plenty of time to undock, form the fleet and get to the site before it was hoovered up completely.

Ice harvesting is no longer for the AFK pilots.

Rather than a "cartel" I can imagine folks combining forces to divvy up the sites into "shares": you don't touch my ice, I won't touch yours.

You can increase the value of your limited ice mining time by setting up a cloaked ship in nullsec ice systems while you wait for a respawn.

When I was running anoms earlier, they did not require rescanning, they simply popped into existence (i had my sweep on continuous). I think it might be helpful to have some sort of indication if something spawns, a sound or some sort of notification.

If they slowed the lasers the IsBoxers/Bots would return.

It's the long cycles that caused the multiboxers to exist -- Cause + Effect.

Probably some tuning of the fields to last a tad longer to reflect the new speed of the mining lasers would be ideal (as the laser speed was the problem to begin with).

Well, you can narrow the next respawn down to within 5 minutes, the one after to within 10 minutes, as long as you see one spawn sometime.



I am sure that a bunch of folks will no longer have need for their 100-strong ice harvesting fleets. Some smaller operators already have other uses for those accounts, with ice providing some convenient pin money. While I expect the shedding of accounts only needed for ice harvesting, this will be a tiny blip on the monthly P/L statement. The all-day AFK ice harvesting fleets are a tiny proportion of the population.

The idea is that spawn 4hours after the belt is depleted, not 4 hours from when the last one spawned.

So here is an impression of this new ICE deal from someone with a fleet of ICE miners..

Logged in my 12 miners, tried to get my daily 3000 blocks, got about 300 total before it was over (all of 20 minutes).

Stationed up the miners, deleted all the ICE rigs from their Skiffs and set them up for mining ORE in a different quiet little system.

Not going back to that mad house....... Ore is the new ICE, baby!

You have a reformed ICE Multi-Boxer...... now I'm an ORE multi-boxer!!!

It was extremely funny to watch everyone trying to grab a little bit of something that had been so plentiful.

Although, I'm out of the ICE business with my little herd, I think CCP did a great job making it a much better solo or very small fleet experience now.

It's was almost like going on a level 4 mission!

Tried out the ice mining with my ISBoxer fleet today. It took a little more time to get tthe targets set up but made the mining a little more interesting. The double ice mining speed way more than made up for the extra time to set up targets. So all is well with us ISBoxer players, well at least with this one :-)

I can't speak for all the multiboxers out there, but I am pretty happy with this release.