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What Eve has taught me - what has it taught you?

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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#1 - 2013-06-04 22:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Klandi
Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

Reasoning:

You build ships - the general rabble sell them in Jita or surrounding sales hubs so you have to sell them there as well.
You mine - and you need to sell the resulting mins - in a high sec trade hub
You make components/ammo etc - you have to sell them in high sec to make money.
Buying BPs and shipping them out to null is essential only to make supers.

Proof:

Let's paint the normal scenario of existing in Eve.
Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec.
You need the BP, mins and skills. Got the money to purchase said items? No - mine or mission or buy all required items by selling PLEX. OK - got the cash now buy the BPOs in null... no, low sec maybe ...no ...HIGH SEC!

The next step assumes you are crazy enough (or have the brosefs around) to get the BP from high-sec to null without gettting ganked. Let us also assume you have null sec space because you have either captured the space or have entered into an agreement that allows you to dock and use station slots.

Having succeed getting them into your space - the next step is to prepare the BP to be cost effective - that will require time and station/POS facilities,
So you get the mins in null (if you can mine them), build the ships in null -but can't get everything you want to fit in the ships in null so you got to go where they are being sold - high sec.
SO many stages that adds SO much risk and then you find that cost wise, they are cheaper in high sec. So you end up thinking ... why the hassle?
IT IS NOT WORTH THE EFFORT OR THE RISK


tl;dr Morale of the story is if you are a builder and you want to make real money, you HAVE to go to high sec to sell - you cannot sell it in substantial numbers in null hence you cannot make the money you need to make in null.


Q: Why do Vets leave Eve?
A: It becomes a job

Reasoning:

As most forum posts will point out - you need to be part of a group to do most things in Eve (to accomplish significant goals). That means that in the majority of cases those that wish to play solo will get bored more quickly and leave. If you want good fites you need to be part of a null sec alliance, being subject to the rules and conditions of the group.
This means your Eve time becomes a job - a place that requires your application and time, consuming more time as more requirements present themselves to be fulfilled. Then there is the need for self-sufficiency which necessitates a ratting grind or a trip to high sec to sell the stuff you have made in null (with all the risks included).

After 5 yrs of doing this you think - no more - I don't want a non-paying job or the hassle of defending a pixel landscape with a group of great like-minded people, or the grind for pixel money - my family deserve my full attention as they are not pixels...


tl;dr We already have a life and Eve only takes away from it (although it takes a few years to realise).
There is no way of playing a small game of Eve

Moar words


People complain that skill = skill points
If a 6mth newb that has trained his rifter and associated skills to lvl5 - comes across a 6yr old vet that is in a rifter - that is a level playing field ship wise. If a 1v1 situation occurrs in that scenario, you are left with skill as the decider. The ONLY thing the vet has over the newb is lots more choice.

What has Eve taught you?

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-06-04 22:51:48 UTC
If your possessions will be of no further use to you, please consider contracting them to me.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Pipernelli Spacemitt
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-06-04 22:52:48 UTC
I'll gladly hold on to your assets until such time as you return. o7 m8 fly safe
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#4 - 2013-06-04 22:53:59 UTC
So Doc - Eve has taught you to be a beggar?

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#5 - 2013-06-04 22:54:25 UTC
Klandi wrote:
What has Eve taught you?

EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#6 - 2013-06-04 22:55:02 UTC
PS: give me your stuff since i actually responded to your drivel. Thanks~

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#7 - 2013-06-04 22:57:38 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Klandi wrote:
What has Eve taught you?

EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE.


Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2013-06-04 22:58:58 UTC
I have learned that no matter how much information you give people, they'll still miss it…
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#9 - 2013-06-04 23:00:31 UTC
Insightful as usual Tippia - liked

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-04 23:01:42 UTC
you got the answer to your own question wrong.

A: Most of eve's population are risk averse and feel they would lose more than they would gain outside of high sec.

Most of the money in eve comes from null/wormhole space, not high sec mining/mission bears.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-06-04 23:04:54 UTC
Yes, you're right, the most populous parts of Eve are where the most trading, price optimisation and sales volume are. When null is RED unless you're in the right corp, what do you expect? People meet somewhere reasonably safe to do business and that's where the profits are made as a result, simply because it's a place where everyone can go without (unless you're suicided) being parted from your cargo.

On the plus side, CCP have made travel so much easier, with JF's, jump clones, cloaky transports and all of that kind of stuff. When I was a kid, we had to slow boat between gates with nary a cloak between us in order to shift goods. That freighter haul through HED-GP was hair raising, I can tell you.

I don't see a problem here.

Sivinn Da'Lawa
The Expatriot League
#12 - 2013-06-04 23:05:31 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

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Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec.


So part of your example is about building Carriers in Null instead of High Sec.

You pick an item that can't even be built or sold in High Sec to complain about how you have to build and sell stuff in High Sec to sell it and make money.

So since you are leaving and I have assisted you in pointing out your ineptitude, I feel your only recourse is to provide me with all of your things.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#13 - 2013-06-04 23:06:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Klandi wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
Klandi wrote:
What has Eve taught you?

EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE.


Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money


I make my money building capitals in a lowsec that I rented from some people, I get all my minerals from highsec, of course, but I just spend a day or two doing trips in a freighter. The rest is me hanging out, killing things, mining some minerals myself, ratting or just playing other games.

Twice a day I'll set up batches of capital parts and I have a spreadsheet that ensure I'm making decent profit and have all the minerals I need when I got o buy them in the first place.

And this might be a shock to you but it's kind of a good idea to live where your most likely customers live as well, being in low and null is perfect for that when you deal in capital ships.

Oh wait, you mentioned that all the modules that these people would be needing aren't sold there either!?

WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES.

You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies.

People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff.

The Drake is a Lie

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#14 - 2013-06-04 23:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Klandi
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you got the answer to your own question wrong.

A: Most of eve's population are risk averse and feel they would lose more than they would gain outside of high sec.


I think the risk averse statement is correct, which adds to my statement. Thanks for the support.


Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Most of the money in eve comes from null/wormhole space, not high sec mining/mission bears.


Fit out a strategic cruiser and tell me where you end up getting all of it from - not WH or null although thats where you find the components.

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#15 - 2013-06-04 23:15:09 UTC
Xercodo wrote:

WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES.

You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies.

People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff.


Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!!
So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!!

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2013-06-04 23:20:40 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

EVE has taught me that people using belittling terms like "pubbies" have self-esteem issues and are trolling.

I earn my ISK by doing things I consider fun. Of course the definition of fun will differ with the player.

EVE has taught me that even hardcore EVE veteran players forget that EVE is a sandbox and not an amusement park. If they are not having fun, they only have themselves to blame.
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#17 - 2013-06-04 23:25:49 UTC
Just quit the damn game. Jesus.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#18 - 2013-06-04 23:26:55 UTC
There is no CCP in New Eden. If New Eden were the real world, Blizzard would have ganked them in to oblivion 9 years ago.

EVE isn't about you, it isn't about me. It's about the blob. It's about using other people. As an alternative you can accept that you will never "win" EVE and just roll with the waves. If you insist on making an Empire you can call your own, by yourself? Go on the test server. I've held Sov, Made outposts, built titans, Super Carriers. On test server. On Tranquility it takes a lot of people to do those things. You can be one of them. No more, doesn't matter how many accounts you have.
Xuixien
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-04 23:30:43 UTC
Stopped reading at

Quote:
A derp, a dip, a herpadippyderrrr


(translation of quotation: "A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec")

I have a friend who made 1 billion ISK in 1 day of LowSec exploration.

I've made at least 500 million ISK off of looting the wrecks of dead ratters in Providence...

FW has afforded me years of game time...

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#20 - 2013-06-04 23:32:09 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

EVE has taught me that people using belittling terms like "pubbies" have self-esteem issues and are trolling.

I earn my ISK by doing things I consider fun. Of course the definition of fun will differ with the player.

EVE has taught me that even hardcore EVE veteran players forget that EVE is a sandbox and not an amusement park. If they are not having fun, they only have themselves to blame.


Not trolling or have any issues in the esteem dept.

Enlighten me with your definition of fun - I am interested.

4yrs ago - when I was young in the game - building was fun for me. Missioning was fun. Then it started to become a grind.

Then I turned to PvP - and that was fun - then it started to become a grind.

So pray tell how a person who has done all the stuff that Eve has to offer, retains the fun

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

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