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Thanks CCP for making the Naga a pile of garbage not worth flying.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#1 - 2011-11-04 23:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Frayn
It has no hyprid capacitor bonus like the Talos. The Talos beats it hands-down in the railgun department with tracking, damage and cap use. Naga only has a bonus to range for guns and missiles now. The Talos can even fit a FULL rack of 425's with no fitting mods needed! The Naga can't. The Talos is also cap stable with 425's with no cap mods. The Naga isn't.

As a torpedo boat, it has no value over the Raven(which is ubiquitous, anyone can afford one). Even a HAM Drake would be more valuable for its buffer. Like all Caldari turret boats, the only remotely useful fit for the Naga is with autocannons and unlike the Rokh which can buffer decently with autos, the Naga cannot.

50% increase in garbage range on blasters is still garbage range. Torpedoes are useless in pvp unless they're hitting something bigger than the ship firing them, and anything bigger than a Naga can kill it with ease in groups or solo.

Nobody should ever want to fly a Naga. Thanks for creating a useless ship, CCP!
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2011-11-05 00:02:35 UTC
I agree that the Naga should drop the hybrid bonus in favor of another torp bonus.

Katrina Oniseki
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#3 - 2011-11-05 00:05:53 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I agree that the Naga should drop the hybrid bonus in favor of another torp bonus.


Agreed. Explosion radius bonus. Cut explosion radius by 10% per level would be a start.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2011-11-05 00:08:27 UTC
Arthur Frayn wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I agree that the Naga should drop the hybrid bonus in favor of another torp bonus.


Agreed. Explosion radius bonus. Cut explosion radius by 10% per level would be a start.


Except CCP doesn't want it to be effective against smaller targets. So instead, maybe a damage bonus?

Katrina Oniseki
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#5 - 2011-11-05 00:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Frayn
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Arthur Frayn wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I agree that the Naga should drop the hybrid bonus in favor of another torp bonus.


Agreed. Explosion radius bonus. Cut explosion radius by 10% per level would be a start.


Except CCP doesn't want it to be effective against smaller targets. So instead, maybe a damage bonus?


If anything it'll be a ROF bonus. At least then it will dps more than a Navy Raven so it'd have something going for it.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#6 - 2011-11-05 00:15:02 UTC
Having played around with the fittings for Naga and Talos, I've noticed they took away the capacitor bonus of the Talos now. But it is STILL cap stable with a full rack of 425's and no cap mods. Naga still isn't.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2011-11-05 00:30:02 UTC
I love how paper thin these ships are though. Means they won't be the new drakes and canes.

Katrina Oniseki
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-05 00:35:54 UTC
Honestly all spilt weapon ships should get more than two bonuses.

For instance if the ship gets 10% to missle range and 10% bonus to hybrid damage. They should just give it.


10% bonus per level for missiles and hybrids optimal range /flight time

10% more damage for missiles and hybrids.

Now it would obviously be weaker than other T3 BCs, but it would actually be versatile. If it can fit 8 of either weapons, then let it have 2 sets of bonuses. don't gimp players that might want to mix and match weapon systems, let them.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-05 00:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
In its current incarnation it can only fit one siege missle launcher. Impossible to test out torp fits.

Edit: Possible the 40% pg reduction is just a typo in the ship description - should probably say 95%
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#10 - 2011-11-05 03:49:13 UTC
Good thing this is still on the Test Server and subject to change.

I feel your pain though. Just like mixing tanking types, it's better to stick to one bonus.
Don't get too upset though! These are in no way finalized.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#11 - 2011-11-05 04:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Frayn
Kale Eledar wrote:
Good thing this is still on the Test Server and subject to change.


I think that despite the last few months of evidence, you vastly underestimate CCP's ability to make stupid decisions that annoy everyone. I will not be surprised when the Naga hits tranquility without a single change made to it, and the devs will tell us with sh!t-eating grins on their faces that the Naga is a good balanced ship.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#12 - 2011-11-05 16:19:21 UTC
Hehe, mostly true, historically. I do feel like they are listening more, this time. I'm a hopeless optimist, lolBear

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#13 - 2011-11-05 20:17:28 UTC
CCP has a TERRIBLE RECORD OF BALANCING SHIPS, therefore it is absolutely a must to REMIND THEM, EVEN IF WE HAVE ***** ABOUT IT!
Dondoran
Why So Sage
Dracarys.
#14 - 2011-11-05 22:56:27 UTC
I think issues with the Naga being such a failure as a ship are mostly because the Oracle and Tornado are vastly superior in every way. They are easier to fit they have DPS that effects BC sized hulls and there faster. Its strange that CCP could direct so much hate at one of its creations yet show so much love to another.
Making the Naga a ship that people will want to fly is no easy task but if it were up to me I would remove the rails give it 7 highs and 4 lows add 50 more CPU and give it the following bonuses. 5% rate of fire 10% to missiles velocity and yes absolutely it can fit cruise missiles its Caldari after all.
This way there’s at least one thing it does better than the other tier 3s a cheap and powerful ratting ship will be useful and popular.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-05 23:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
IMO, the Caldari boat should focus on being a missle platform w/ a missile velocity bonus.

If you're going to dual weaponize any of the new BC's I think it should be the Tornado and it should only have 6 turret hard-points.

It already is the fastest, therefore it should have some kind of balancing in place to make the armor/slower (all other races) ships up to par.

As it stands, projectiles are a favored weapon because they cost no cap, they're easy to fit, they have amazing tracking and great optimal/falloff. They're quite literally the best weapon in the game.

In my opinion, instead of keep trying to balance other weapons/ships/races, start by bringing projectiles down to the level of the rest. I think projectiles should have worse tracking than the rest.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Dray
C.O.D.E
#16 - 2011-11-05 23:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dray
Already mentioned in another thread that the Naga should have 4 bonus, 2 for hybrids, 2 for missiles but only apply the bonus if a full rack of the same weapon system is fitted, if I'm honest it should just be torps but CCP like to push the envelope, even if that means filling it with dog poop and posting it through some ones letter box, namely Caldari letter boxes.

As for the dual bonus idea I'm no code monkey so I don't know how big an ask this is, either way it has to be better than the abortion the Naga is currently.

Just as an aside, a corp m8 mentioned how he would've liked to have seen the Naga as a cruise missile platform, but with the glass cannon idea it has to be torps.

Edit : Just occurred to me the Naga is every bit as bad as the Drake is good, I guess it must be balanced..........
Captain Megadeath
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-11-06 03:26:44 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
IMO, the Caldari boat should focus on being a missle platform w/ a missile velocity bonus.



NO!

Caldari have TWO main racial weapons. Missiles and hybrids. The Naga should continue to have both weapon types bonused.
VeloxMors
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-06 05:40:24 UTC
This ship has a serious identity crisis... the result? It sucks at everything it tries to do. Everyone please welcome the latest Lachesis into New Eden...
Cephas Boaz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-06 05:44:51 UTC
naga is bad. Confirming that the naga is bad. Ohh..... And btw, the naga? its bad.
Dray
C.O.D.E
#20 - 2011-11-06 09:36:11 UTC
Captain Megadeath wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
IMO, the Caldari boat should focus on being a missle platform w/ a missile velocity bonus.



NO!

Caldari have TWO main racial weapons. Missiles and hybrids. The Naga should continue to have both weapon types bonused.


True but they have always had crappy hybrid boats, so either make it a crappy hybrid boat (like they need more) or make it a missile boat.

Back to the point in hand, what, in your opinion, should the bonus be without the making the Naga blow harder than it already does?

If I want a dual weapon bonus ship I'll use a Typhoon as it can pull it off, the Naga can't, not even close.
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