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About the Eos' model

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Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#261 - 2013-06-03 19:01:53 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Edited to incude this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY

Damn that EOS is soo BAD ASS!

I wonder how a Rokh would look like with that paint-job.

CCP we really need a BAD ASS faction Rokh!

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Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2013-06-03 19:07:20 UTC
With the 2 command ships of each race moving closer in battlefield role and performance (as outlined in the deblog once upon a time), I think it is just natural to differentiate them by something more.

The hull is an easy, no-gameplay-impact option for this and I approve it wholeheartedly.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#263 - 2013-06-03 19:18:34 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Yes, please.

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    Yaturi
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #264 - 2013-06-03 19:35:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Yaturi
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    ......
    (hull switches)
    ......

    This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
    Sarmatiko wrote:
    Please don't touch my Sleipnir and Nighthawk X

    I want Sleipnir, not Brutor Hurricane; Nighthawk, not Kaalakiota Drake.
    And while this thread is ongoing, silent change of models will cause another inevitable shitstorm on forums, because as always major part of the community will be unaware about this.

    If you like to change something so iconic - make proper playerbase-wide poll first.


    As the guy who made the original red paint mockup shown in the op back in December 2008 (I **** you not, I used ms paint and it was for some stupid hictor thread I was babbling about) I'm gonna have to agree with Sarmatiko on this. There needs to be a hull poll so to speak. The poll should give players questions that have bubbled choices.

    1st question: Should command ship hulls be switched. Yes or No bubble?

    2nd question: What should Amarr field cs be, Harby or Phroph bubbles. Followed with the same question for fleet cs. Then a "no switch" bubble for those who dont want it.

    This is repeated for the next 3 races
    a total of 5 simple input questions that could help solve this predicament, if presented to the players a la csm voting style.
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #265 - 2013-06-03 20:06:50 UTC
    I do wish people would understand that "Field" and "Fleet" distinctions are going to be removed from the game and all Command Ships will simply be "Command Ships" with bonuses to boosting as well as combat ability.
    Alec Polaris
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #266 - 2013-06-03 20:14:40 UTC
    It never made sense to me that a company, which is supposed to be modifying ships rather than building new ones, would scrap a ship's existing weapon system and leave the hull the same. This change would make sense.
    sXyphos
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #267 - 2013-06-03 20:37:24 UTC
    Yes! just finished training command ships and i want this so bad Shocked
    You should apply this mentality wherever you can,diversity makes this game even more beautiful.Big smile
    Jing Xin
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #268 - 2013-06-03 20:38:14 UTC
    Just let them change livery at will (or for small AUR fee). Once they get their KK Drakes and Carthum Harbingers, check what they think about changing iconic hulls then. It has been many years since CovOp model change, and as much as I enjoy Probe variations (including recent Vherokior Probe), Cheetah does not look like a Cheetah to me.
    Mole Guy
    Bob's Bait and Tackle
    #269 - 2013-06-03 21:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mole Guy
    yes! someone besides myself who has read that the field/fleet differentiation is going away and ALL command ships will have a whoopass side AND a booster side.
    not a forced choice, but an ongrid boostin, open a case of whoopass and throw it on ya type ship.

    i just wonder if the minie versions will loose the extra slot they have (start the whining now) or will the rest of them gain
    another slot?

    but the biggest question i have is, are we going to have weapon bonuses like the marauder (since a ton of new t1 ships are gaining them) or is it going to be 3 links and 5 weapons?

    hopefully!*!**!!*!*!
    we have 4 2x weapons like the marauders. that would leave 3 high slots for links. leave it at 7.

    i think the command ship bonuses should follow the hac line. itll provide the linear progression eve is heading towards, make training easier and just make sense. i mean if you send a hac in and we love the results enough to send in bc.."make it exactly like u did, just add links".. =)
    IE,
    the zealot=absolution (harby hull)=laser boat with range bonuses like the zealot
    the sac=damnation (prophecy hull)=missile boat with cap and rof/ham damage like the sac

    ishtar=eos (myrm (with the new dominix bonuses)) ishtar bonuses with the domi mixed in
    deimos=astarte (brutix)=a whole-lotta whoopass just as its always been

    vaggy=sleipnir (huricane hull) same bonuses as the vaggy
    (no base ship)=claymore missile boat

    eagle=vulture (ferox hull) same bonus progression
    ceberus=nighthawk (drake hull) add kewl cerb bonuses

    keep the bonuses and the weapon platforms the same so one doesnt have to train many different types of weapons while trying to get to battlecruiser 5 then command ship 5.
    itll keep with the linear progression eve is going.

    will u give us a hint fozzie? how much whoop ass will they have? 5 guns? 6? 4 x2 guns? 4 x1.75 guns?
    the suspence is killin me
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #270 - 2013-06-03 21:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.

    As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.

    Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please.
    Mole Guy
    Bob's Bait and Tackle
    #271 - 2013-06-03 21:58:11 UTC
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.

    As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.

    Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please.



    that was not indicated anywhere. fozzie said they will have good damage projected AND 3 links. never said anything about a full rack of weapons.
    but i do agree, this is for another post.
    Altrue
    Exploration Frontier inc
    Tactical-Retreat
    #272 - 2013-06-03 22:24:26 UTC
    Lloyd Roses wrote:
    Edited to incude this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY


    Hell yeeeaaaaaaah !

    You have my vote for this idea OP and Fozzie !

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    Voith
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #273 - 2013-06-03 22:28:00 UTC
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.

    As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.

    Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please.

    Yes, it would be truly terrible if Minmatar didn't just get a **** ton of massive bonuses to their subcap hulls that all but obsolete other factions.
    Pertuabo Enkidgan
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #274 - 2013-06-03 22:41:15 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Eos would use the Myrm hull

    Dooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeet!
    Anshu Zephyran
    Knavery Inc.
    #275 - 2013-06-03 22:52:48 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • There is not enough yes in the world to express my support for this.
    Nike Andedare
    Diamond Command
    #276 - 2013-06-03 23:04:07 UTC
    Yes please!!! Big smile

    Idea As many before me have stated, do this for all T2/Faction ships. If you are using a (insert weapon type here) bonused ship, then the hull should be based off the T1 version.

    Sorry to all the "iconic" ships that will get a more lore-logical hull.
    Ruze
    Next Stage Initiative
    #277 - 2013-06-03 23:04:40 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Being quite honest, I love the command ships. But something about the Carthum Prophecy hull is simply beautiful and should never be thrown away.

    So while changing out the Abso to be based on the Harbi is sound in logic, I will shed a tear if you guys don't find some way to include a Prophecy hull with Carthum colors.

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    Psychoactive Stimulant
    #278 - 2013-06-03 23:36:42 UTC
    I vote YES!
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #279 - 2013-06-04 03:27:40 UTC
    So CCP, how many yes's do you need, as it stands now there's like 200 in support of this change and there's already 14 pages and nearly 500 likes. If you do nothing else, at least change the Eos to the Myrmidon, not one person here has said anything negative about that at least lol.

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    Jerick Ludhowe
    Internet Tuff Guys
    #280 - 2013-06-04 03:30:21 UTC
    At the very least, change the eos to the myrmidon... You did make the navy bc a brutix hull....