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Are wormholers more mature than the average EvE player?

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Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-03 10:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxandrolone
I just spent a few minutes on general discussion forum, trolls everywhere, locked threads everywhere, tears and people with names like "Lrn2Pl@yn00b" etc

In general I find these forums alot better than other sub-forums and those in game to be more mature.

Of course this is hard to prove statistically or anything since maturity is subjective. In general though we throw alot less excrement around here.

There has been some statistics before about average age of eve players [citation needed] but I wonder if its higher here? The youngest guy in my corp is probably 18ish and he gets plenty of banter at him because of it but for most games he would be the tough older kid :)
Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-03 11:04:01 UTC
Mighty 1976 here :D
TunaKross
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-03 11:07:57 UTC
I think the average age in Bitten was 35 last time we checked Smile
Xtrah
Overload This
#4 - 2013-06-03 11:28:56 UTC
Nice thread, definitely agree with OP. WH forums best forums P

Oxandrolone wrote:

There has been some statistics before about average age of eve players [citation needed] but I wonder if its higher here? The youngest guy in my corp is probably 18ish and he gets plenty of banter at him because of it but for most games he would be the tough older kid :)


Youngest in NoHo? Ehmm everyone shut up
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#5 - 2013-06-03 11:32:45 UTC
I've met plenty of immature ppl in wormholes, but they have a nasty habit of getting evicted or podded back to kspace. That might be the real reason.

http://www.wormholes.info

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#6 - 2013-06-03 12:09:10 UTC
TunaKross wrote:
I think the average age in Bitten was 35 last time we checked Smile


Isn't cybus basically a foetus? Probably drags the average way down
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2013-06-03 12:13:09 UTC
In my opinion yeah, I think the environment that wormholes create: lawlessness, honourable fights, everyone being on their toes constantly etc makes people less likely to be whiny little kids. Highseccers are definitely synonymous to spoilt little kids being sheltered and crying whenever something doesn't go their way, with nullbears not being too far behind.

Now obviously this isn't the rule, and there will be mature and decent players in all kinds of space as well as immature ones, my opinion is just based on my own observations of forums/in-game players.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-03 12:13:56 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
I've met plenty of immature ppl in wormholes, but they have a nasty habit of getting evicted or podded back to kspace. That might be the real reason.


maybe.

there was one massive troll in narwhals who was a 12 year old little idiot, he basically pushed us over the edge and made us leave the alliance
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#9 - 2013-06-03 12:19:30 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
there was one massive troll in narwhals who was a 12 year old little idiot


Well, it's not Tuna's fault when he was born. Bear

http://www.wormholes.info

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#10 - 2013-06-03 12:39:36 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
there was one massive troll in narwhals who was a 12 year old little idiot, he basically pushed us over the edge and made us leave the alliance


A 12-year-old pulled that off all on his own? Must have been quite the genius ;)

I also have the feeling that wormholers tend to be older, although I'm not sure it's always such a great thing. A lot of people even in pvp corps lean towards complacency and lack the drive and bloodlust of the youngsters. And there is always talk about kids and similar useless stuff most older people acquire. Nearing 35 myself and being constrained by RL and job, I wouldn't mind having mostly lazy students around me who are always online and super-motivated and pull me with them when I am tired after a long day at the office.

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Jay Joringer
13.
#11 - 2013-06-03 12:51:38 UTC
We're all teenagers, but we consider ourselves reasonably mature, relatively speaking. The responsibility of having young families while trying to find jobs in an economic downturn has put wizened heads on strapping young shoulders. We all look up to our eldest, however. At 19 years old, this venerable pilot has been an inspiration to us all, sometimes just logging in to hear his sage council, knowing that at our tender years, we still have much to learn.

But we daren't entitle ourselves as 'mature'. At least not until Zeyta's voice breaks.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#12 - 2013-06-03 13:51:17 UTC
The fact that some of the original WH groups were created from people who saw wormholes a way to escape the drama and childish BS going on in null, etc. and the more concentrated nature of player on player interaction in wormhole space, with people often working together one day then shooting each other in the face the next has helped to minimised some of the less mature content.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-03 14:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandslinger
@ OP You asked if EvE players are more mature that's not synchronous with being older

The first is based on your personality and personal mental growth the second on physical age.
Might seem pedantic to point it out, but it's a valid point.

Our alliances youngest player (who posted above) is incidentally also one of the most mature in his approach to the game.

To play wormholes (for one of the larger groups) you have to be able to co-operate with other players. You have to be able to realise that workload is split, and be able to suck it up sometimes even if you feel like you are pulling the hardest.

All rewards take much longer to get then the more instant gratification of 0,0 (both for pvp and for pve) Immature players don't tend to fit into this playstyle)

In general wormholes is much more about social construct and slow rewards then the rest of 0,0. This means that the more immature groups or players tend to fail pretty hard in wormholes. We can usually tell very quickly when our recruitment filter has accepted a player who isn't suited for wormholes.


The point above in regards to wormholes being initially populated by players all wanting to get away from the 0,0 dramalama bullshit is also very valid and at least in Norco wh division the most important factor in why we initially wanted to try wh out.
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-06-03 14:20:09 UTC
Nevermind nullsec. Go check out faction warfare people in "warfare & tactics" subforum. Those guys make us wh-dwellers look like David Attenborough in comparison.
Zara Arran
Overload This
#15 - 2013-06-03 14:22:31 UTC
Sandslinger wrote:

The first is based on your personality and personal mental growth the second on physical age.
Might seem pedantic to point it out, but it's a valid point.

Our alliances youngest player (who posted above) is incidentally also one of the most mature in his approach to the game.


This.

I have the same experiences as Sandslinger: the youngesters (you know who you are <3) acting more mature than the seniors ;) sometimes you need to remind the seniors that there are underaged people on comms as well.

One of the reasons I think is indeed because of what WH space requires (patience, teamwork, player skills, higher SP, being reliant on others), the WH recruitment process is more stringent than nullsec/lowsec. But, I might be mistaken as I only lived in WHs.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-03 14:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxandrolone
Sandslinger wrote:

First off. The OP asked if EvE players are more mature, not if they are older



Age and maturity are fairly correlated though, I can see why people often link it together!

Wormholes are becoming more and more accessible, corp bm's, guides on everything, personal CHA's and much more will encourage more people in.

Before tmapping tools it was a massive headache trying to map out a long chain, this took alot of patience and maturity you dont get from the instant-gratification HS / NullBears.
Jay Joringer
13.
#17 - 2013-06-03 15:13:55 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:

Age and maturity are fairly correlated though, I can see why people often link it together!


This is true. Generally speaking, 18 year olds have different interests to 40 year olds. Perhaps a more insightful question would be "Does the wormhole environment appeal more to a specific demographic?"

My personal experience is that is does. Most of the groups I have been involved in wormhole space have generally been 25-35 year old, married post-graduates in full-time employment. Bear in mind that this is quite a crude generalisation and of course there will be exceptions, but I believe the bulk of our group fit into this category.

Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#18 - 2013-06-03 15:39:58 UTC
Jay Joringer wrote:

25-35 year old;

Check, 33
Jay Joringer wrote:

Married;

Not even a GF (im open to suggestions tho :P )
Jay Joringer wrote:

post-graduates;

Nope
Jay Joringer wrote:

full-time employment;

Check

Jay Joringer wrote:

Bear in mind that this is quite a crude generalisation and of course there will be exceptions, but I believe the bulk of our group fit into this category.


Yeah, quite crude :)
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#19 - 2013-06-03 15:43:15 UTC
Jay Joringer wrote:
Most of the groups I have been involved in wormhole space have generally been 25-35 year old, married post-graduates in full-time employment.


The average EVE player is about 30 years old so that would be just the average, nothing special to wormholes.

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Jay Joringer
13.
#20 - 2013-06-03 17:25:00 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Jay Joringer wrote:
Most of the groups I have been involved in wormhole space have generally been 25-35 year old, married post-graduates in full-time employment.


The average EVE player is about 30 years old so that would be just the average, nothing special to wormholes.


So, we can glean from that statement that the typical WH pilot in Eve is... average.

Brinxter, I'm not suggesting the sample size was in any way significant Blink
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