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How many people really cared about a new launcher and Single Sign On?
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Khador Vess
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2013-06-02 10:00:53 UTC
Rusty Scalpel wrote:
Some stuff.


Have you never had to do some work as groundwork for later changes... how about if this SSO was the thing that enables char swapping without signing out... does the perspective change then... I suspect SSO is just that... something that's needed for other features like crime watch was, like the POS iterations are...

Do you know how much effort went into the changes? how many man hours... no you dont so you cant make any value/worth judgements based on the available information. I work as a SW Architect, and i Have worked as a developer again in the not so distant past... No company or Dev makes changes for the sake of it, it just doesnt happen or those that do dont survive 10+ years...

My 2p cut em some slack unless you have proof that this is a worthless change that gives the playerbase (not just you) absolutely nothing.... there are a lot of players out there who only have one account. I personally have multiple ac's however this change does not bother me in the slightest...
Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#42 - 2013-06-02 10:30:23 UTC
mechtech wrote:
How CCP casually threw away the expansion themed login screens and music really concerns me.

That was part of Eve's legacy.

The best part of the bi-yearly new expansion ritual is loading up the new login screen and listening to the new music theme. Did nobody at CCP speak up? Maybe nobody really cares about such things, sad...


That and the connection login sounds. It's really very weird to log in and not hear Aura say "connecting".
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#43 - 2013-06-02 10:43:22 UTC
I don't give a damn about the launcher either way.

Hows that for an answer?
Obunagawe
#44 - 2013-06-02 10:58:54 UTC
Khador Vess wrote:

My 2p cut em some slack unless you have proof that this is a worthless change that gives the playerbase (not just you) absolutely nothing.... there are a lot of players out there who only have one account. I personally have multiple ac's however this change does not bother me in the slightest...


If it's groundwork for future changes then it should have been kept in beta until at least SOME of these "future changes" were ready. Given that they have released it with many bugs, and in a state which actually makes logging in a more click-intensive process than the old launcher, I believe any complaint is justified. It should never have been released in this state.
Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#45 - 2013-06-02 11:08:08 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Khador Vess wrote:

My 2p cut em some slack unless you have proof that this is a worthless change that gives the playerbase (not just you) absolutely nothing.... there are a lot of players out there who only have one account. I personally have multiple ac's however this change does not bother me in the slightest...


If it's groundwork for future changes then it should have been kept in beta until at least SOME of these "future changes" were ready. Given that they have released it with many bugs, and in a state which actually makes logging in a more click-intensive process than the old launcher, I believe any complaint is justified. It should never have been released in this state.


The hilarious part is, they're about to do the exact same thing with the new exploration in 2 days, which is supposed to be the main feature of this expansion. It is an incomplete buggy mess, and has received overwhelmingly negative feedback on the test server, yet they're basically just pushing it out as is so it can be "iterated on later".
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#46 - 2013-06-02 11:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
New launcher ha its faults but it is a great step forward.
With the AUTOPLAY checked i am starting my clients much much faster than i did before. t is substantially faster to launch now multiple accounts. As CCP stated downaloading bigger patches should be also faster and mroe stable.

SSO is really a must if u have multiple pages that you are visittng. Also SSO fused with steam, it is hell of a great thing.
Stop whining, bugs will get sorted.

The only thing i don't like and somebody already mentioned it is that the login animation and music will be gone. That really sucks. I don't really know why CCP made the music for Odyssey. It is a great piece but i really cba to go to soundcloud every time i want to open my client.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#47 - 2013-06-02 11:10:05 UTC
Demoneta Adama wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I'm trying to find away around the launcher. It's realy anoying the way it is.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238145&find=unread


I ment that "not to use use the launcher at all work around" Twisted

I did fix the the laucher twice already... it just fixes the launcher so it actualy does something it doesn't remove it Cry

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-06-02 11:17:32 UTC
The new launcher is great, it just needs to save password then it will be complete. (and obviously not bring down the whole eve server) :)
Shian Yang
#49 - 2013-06-02 12:11:00 UTC
Khador Vess wrote:
Rusty Scalpel wrote:
Some stuff.


Have you never had to do some work as groundwork for later changes... how about if this SSO was the thing that enables char swapping without signing out... does the perspective change then... I suspect SSO is just that... something that's needed for other features like crime watch was, like the POS iterations are...

Do you know how much effort went into the changes? how many man hours... no you dont so you cant make any value/worth judgements based on the available information. I work as a SW Architect, and i Have worked as a developer again in the not so distant past... No company or Dev makes changes for the sake of it, it just doesnt happen or those that do dont survive 10+ years...

My 2p cut em some slack unless you have proof that this is a worthless change that gives the playerbase (not just you) absolutely nothing.... there are a lot of players out there who only have one account. I personally have multiple ac's however this change does not bother me in the slightest...


Greetings capsuleer,

If you believe foisting a change that has no visible benefit with only a dreamed up potential future pay-off onto a consumer base when the changed feature has a set of drawbacks despite the fact they may not impact you personally is a good thing I pity whomever employs you as a software architect.

You probably designed Gallentean Drone Boats in your spare time. Or were you responsible for Vanilla Quafe?

Regards,

Capsuleer Yang
Damasa Cloudwalker
Cloudwalker Enterprises
#50 - 2013-06-02 12:16:25 UTC
LOL @ CCP, Since Retribution, most of the "features" they've added have been less than "useful".


For example:

Weapon safety: Safety? In a sandbox? need an option to disable and remove.

Sounds: Explosion still sound like car doors slamming, and the gate sounds are still "WoW-ish". needs an option to revert back to old EvE sounds, I've been playing without volume since the "new" sound update went in.

Launcher: doesn't retain account logins, so useless and serves no real purpose


For EVERY "feature" added, there should be a way to disable or remove that "feature", if desired. That's good for your business and good for the players.

In-game sounds muted since Retribution, F10 Jumper since Odyssey
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#51 - 2013-06-02 12:21:37 UTC
I only really saw the launcher on the day they changed it. I had the setting checked that it would launch eve then just close if it didn't need to patch. I suppose that won't work in the future though will it?
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