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Are Dust Soldiers a Plot by Imperial 'Black Nobility?'
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#1 - 2013-06-02 01:05:13 UTC
Chamberlain Karsoth, a symbol of the most corrupt and ruinous elements of the Empire. One of the few publicly known 'black nobility' - those who have sold their soul to the Red God in exchange for power, influence, and money. Many in the Empire and Kingdom strive to stamp out the mechanization of the black nobility, but they have lived on for tens of thousands of years in the shadows, attempting to twist the policies and programs of the Amarr to their own end.

Make no mistake: The black nobility exists and it exists in every corner of the Empire, in every government and religious organization, and along all rungs of power.

What, you ask, does this have to do with the immortal clone soldiers known as 'dusters?'

Evidence points to the Empire being the birthplace of these dust soldiers. Their immortality granted by a new implant that shows little resemblance to current Jove or Amarrian tech.

What is the source of this new technology?

In Imperial space, there are many ruins of the Takmahl. A fallen empire that utilized cyber-technology of a sophistication and design we have yet to truly comprehend. Also the precursors to modern Sani Sabik!

What does the Sani Sabik believe? That clone blood is the most pure and its spilling pleases the Red God like no other.

Dusters are cloned soldiers and as they fight, hundreds of clone bodies fall, turning the battlefield into a fetid pool of clone blood.

This is what I believe happened:

The black nobility discovered this technology in an ancient Takmahl ruin. They used their power and influence to start the clone soldier program in the Empire and then 'leaked' the technology to other nations. Their plan is for every part of the cluster to become a giant abattoir, washing planets in mass produced clone blood set flowing during sacrificial battles.

The Templars were 'first-gens' who have the original Takmahl implants that were designed to drive their user mad and so the Empress' current purge is an attempt to destroy all evidence of the Takmahl connection.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2013-06-02 04:39:31 UTC
Quite the interesting question you've put here. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I would question though if this is something you're merely suggesting, or is it something you believe?

Katrina Oniseki
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-06-02 05:29:24 UTC
I believe this sort of thing is covered by the Gutter Press.

Nothing to see here.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#4 - 2013-06-02 07:09:14 UTC
Having read Jeil Ni-Young's 'Into the Black,' I can say your reaction is quite predictable.

It must be annoying that all those Imperial Sani Sabik get to play with their mind-washed immortal clone soldiers, creating bloodletting orgies for the entire cluster to see while they get paid by oblivious government officials for providing them with mercenary groups, and they didn't even offer you a slice of the pie.

Meanwhile, there you are in Khanid low-sec, sacrificing various pirates and haulers of limited intelligence. Most of them have so many chemicals floating around their bloodstream it's surprising they don't glow in the dark.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2013-06-02 08:52:18 UTC
Why would they do this? I see no sensible reason for it.

Would be better to keep the technology for themselves and start a 'abbatoir' like campaign that way. Blood is only a ritual, their sects are about power first.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-02 09:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher7
Are they following these clone soldiers around with buckets or something? Waiting for them to shoot each other and bleed?

Then go "nya nya Lady Silas aint gettin none"

Blood is their ritual, not their goal. Their goal is power, wealth and a meritocracy where the worthy rule and are supported by the masses, instead of the current way in the Empire where people are "born" into high or low status regardless of merit. Could be that a low-born Ammatar under different circumstances might be more capable than an heir, but he would never get the shot to prove it. That's the core of what Sabik is about from my understanding of it.

Their focus on capsuleer blood being more pure, is because it comes from a more powerful foe, and therefor more holy to them.

I doubt they are touching themselves at the prospect of drinking dirtsider blood of clone-soldier muppets.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#7 - 2013-06-02 09:15:53 UTC
Cipher7 wrote:
Are they following these clone soldiers around with buckets or something? Waiting for them to shoot each other and bleed?

Then go "nya nya Lady Silas aint gettin none"

Blood is their ritual, not their goal. Their goal is power, wealth and a meritocracy where the worthy rule and are supported by the masses, instead of the current way in the Empire where people are "born" into high or low status regardless of merit. Could be that a low-born Ammatar under different circumstances might be more capable than an heir, but he would never get the shot to prove it. That's the core of what Sabik is about from my understanding of it.

Their focus on capsuleer blood being more pure, is because it comes from a more powerful foe, and therefor more holy to them.

I doubt they are touching themselves at the prospect of drinking dirtsider blood of clone-soldier muppets.


You are horribly miss-informed. Remedy that as soon as you can.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#8 - 2013-06-02 10:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Merdaneth wrote:
Why would they do this? I see no sensible reason for it.


The creation of a large, immortal fighting force that will soon dominate ground combat across the cluster and further destabilize troubled relations. They're certainly getting (more) wealth and (more) power out of this.

But the simplest reason is because they believe God exists and that such things please him.

Please remember that even if their religion involves hedonism, self-centeredness, and ruthlessly dominating those they see as weak, they are as devoted to their god as we are to the real one.

Cipher7 wrote:
Then go "nya nya Lady Silas aint gettin none"

My feelings on the matter are a touch more complex than that. I am, after all, also part of the Kingdom. Slights on Silas from Imperial heretics don't sit well with me.

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I doubt they are touching themselves at the prospect of drinking dirtsider blood of clone-soldier muppets.

You know a clone soldier can rip a normal man in two, right? That they have so few weapons because if regular soldiers attempted to use them, they'd break bones from the recoil or melt their skin from the heat or would just be unable to pick up many of the heavy weapons.

Dusters are quite powerful.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-06-02 10:13:55 UTC
Is it just me, or is the Intergalactic Summit increasingly becoming the Half-Baked Conspiracy Theory Summit?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-06-02 10:18:26 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Is it just me, or is the Intergalactic Summit increasingly becoming the Half-Baked Conspiracy Theory Summit?


I'm eagerly anticipating a conspiracy theory about the 'Black Tribals' or 'Black Elders' admiral.

After similarly colored Eagles, Nobles and whatnot.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-06-02 10:21:28 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Merdaneth wrote:
Why would they do this? I see no sensible reason for it.


The creation of a large, immortal fighting force that will soon dominate ground combat across the cluster and further destabilize troubled relations. They're certainly getting (more) wealth and (more) power out of this.


Well, any self-respecting Blood Raider or Sani Sabik with a modicum of intelligence would *keep the secret for themselves*. If they go rogue and become unstable eventually, then you are still left with the plan you describe.

And, considering the crew losses Blood Raiders incur, using the tech to provide crews for their ships would probably save a lot of isk for training programs.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-02 10:27:28 UTC
Why's it always got to be the black nobility? Never the white nobility? Huh?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-06-02 10:32:31 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Is it just me, or is the Intergalactic Summit increasingly becoming the Half-Baked Conspiracy Theory Summit?

It still seems like the same old Snarky Commentary Summit to me.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#14 - 2013-06-02 10:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Rodj Blake wrote:
Is it just me, or is the Intergalactic Summit increasingly becoming the Half-Baked Conspiracy Theory Summit?

Be vigilant, Commandant Blake. Even you aren't outside their grasp.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Why's it always got to be the black nobility? Never the white nobility? Huh?

While implies purity and goodness while black implies evil and corruption.

I'd think they'd go for red nobility, myself.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-06-02 11:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Merdaneth
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Why's it always got to be the black nobility? Never the white nobility? Huh?


Because then capsuleers couldn't be able to white-knight ms. Hanaya?

Black is associated with night, night is associated with fear, a fear hardwired into us on a genetic level.

Light, day, up, high, clean and white are closely associated, as are darkness, night, low, foul and black.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#16 - 2013-06-02 11:05:28 UTC
What a lot of Imperial alarmist propaganda nonsense.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-06-02 11:12:11 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:

You know a clone soldier can rip a normal man in two, right? That they have so few weapons because if regular soldiers attempted to use them, they'd break bones from the recoil or melt their skin from the heat or would just be unable to pick up many of the heavy weapons.

Dusters are quite powerful.


Sounds like video game fiction.

They are dirtsiders and will be invariably put down after this dust stupidity comes to an end.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#18 - 2013-06-02 11:16:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Denak Calamari
Makkal Hanaya wrote:

You know a clone soldier can rip a normal man in two, right? That they have so few weapons because if regular soldiers attempted to use them, they'd break bones from the recoil or melt their skin from the heat or would just be unable to pick up many of the heavy weapons.

Dusters are quite powerful.


Oh please, I'm not that powerful, I can only punch right through a tritanium block. And our weapons don't break bones or melt skin, they shatter bones and spontaneously combust non-protected users on fire.

But seriously, I already overheard you talking about the theory in the Summit, and I will repeat myself here:

It is an interesting and certainly plausible hypothesis, but in the lack of any concrete proof to support your speculation I go with the general consensus that the implanst are Sleeper origin nor are we a part of the Black Nobility conspiracy.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#19 - 2013-06-04 22:18:17 UTC
Cipher7 wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:

You know a clone soldier can rip a normal man in two, right? That they have so few weapons because if regular soldiers attempted to use them, they'd break bones from the recoil or melt their skin from the heat or would just be unable to pick up many of the heavy weapons.

Dusters are quite powerful.


Sounds like video game fiction.

They are dirtsiders and will be invariably put down after this dust stupidity comes to an end.

Did you know that frigates around the size of cargo aircraft can survive railgun charges that could destroy a swath of a city five kilometers in diameter?

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Vispellio
Hakkaisuo Corporation
#20 - 2013-06-05 07:16:53 UTC
To even suggest that these heathens possess such forward thinking quite frankly disgusts me. The Sani Sabik are nothing more than vile barbarians with twisted beliefs, as well as savage butchers.
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