EVE General Discussion

…so you can't actually explain yourself or provide any basis for your claim, as usual.

Nope and nope, in that order. In the second post, you just made more unsupported claims without anything to back them up, which was added to the pool of things I would like to know what they're based on.

So you admit that your claims have no basis then. Good. That's all you had to say.

Consequently, your supposed logic doesn't matter either even if you could offer anything to support it (and you still have no basis for it anyway).

You need to prove yourself right before I have to do anything. Until you do, all I have to focus on is to get you to provide said proof. Since you just admitted that you can't and that you have no basis for your claims, my job is done.

…and yet you keep arguing that they are, and you keep trying to suggest that I've said things that I haven't. Based on the pattern above, I feel pretty safe in concluding that you have no basis for these claims (or for the first one quote above) either.

Well either you are a massive zealot on steroid, either you don't understand my posts because you keep asking the same questions I just answered.




They are not claims, it's just my opinion based on logic and data from eve-kill and the official eve forums and my personal knowledge of the game.
Please feel free to notify me If I left any of your questions unanswered, I'm pretty sure I didn't.



No I don't claim to know about every single corp and their politics on reimbursing jfs but It's pretty safe to think that they reimburse most jfs that are used to move corp assets.
If my logic is so flawed, please feel free to give me arguments and not just comment on my claims and ask questions.



I am right till proved wrong, same here.



I think you are confused, JFs are not invincible (that's your claim) they are risk free please answer my question on how to gank a JF that know his timers.
Still right, I'm waiting for your data.

Funny how every time its pointed out that your argument is wrong it suddenly becomes irrelevant.

It's just my opinion on you based on the few posts I'm reading of you, maybe I'm wrong and you're a chill guy just having a bad day.



Nope, it's just you lacking reading comprehension AGAIN, I can't prove it because it's impossible to prove since you have to gather private data from all the corps in null, you can't either and you are just dodging AGAIN, where is your data, prove me wrong?
Third time I ask you to prove me wrong, third time you dodge asking me to prove something nobody can instead of proving my logic wrong #easy



On logic, if they don't have a jf they can't make profit if they don't make profit they die, since most corps are still alive after a JF loss and most JF pilots don't seems to get kicked it's pretty safe to think they are reimbursing the JF.
It's logic, I might be wrong so feel free to argue.


Where do you think wa are ? Am I right till proved wrong, feel free to prove me wrong my logic seems to be flawed.


Feel free to explain how to gank a JF that use timers to jump, this is the second time I'm asking you. Still dodging I see

It's likely the other way around, both for the playing, and the proving.
I also noticed how you disregarded the testimony of a Goonswarm member (CFC) and a Nulli Secunda member (N3), where we both said that freighter or JF reimbursements don't happen unless they're lost on actual operations.
And how they're not alliance owned.
And how you're flat out wrong.

See, now I disproved you, so with your proof and my disproof, you're at -1.
Do you need any further explanations of how you're wrong?

I'm sure Tippia and baltec1 can assist you with your learning disability, they have both been patient so far.

…and the claim about entitlement is based on…?

So in other words, I understood it perfectly: you haven't provided any basis or evidence for your claim for the simple reason that you can't. Until you do, you are wrong by default and there's no need or reason to prove it. The burden of proof still lies with you and the benefit of assumption lies with me. Want to change that? Cough up the proof… except you've admitted that you can't.

…and that's based on…? Anyway, it doesn't strike me as particularly safe an assumption, no. It could equally suggests that the pilots themselves have to bear the full brunt of the loss, and that's what keeps the corp from losing the money needed to stay alive and what keeps the character from being kicked.

Oh, and as mentioned, a naturalistic fallacy is not a good basis for any kind of argument so your claim is still as baseless as ever.

I think we're on Earth, where we're subject to the same logic that has been around for much of recorded history: one where you are wrong until you've proven yourself right — again, onus probandi. You have been unable to prove yourself right, so the default position that you are wrong still stands.

Nah. I'm going to exercise my freedom to wait until there's any reason for me to do that. In the meantime, your claim that they're ungankable is still in conflict with reality and recorded history as previously shown. Again, the burden of proof is on you and the proof available actually proves you wrong, so the default position not only remains but is reinforced.

Yes we can. We have access to every main powerblocks internal reimbursement programme. Nobody reimburses JF unless it was part of an official operation, like dropping an outpost. Any who loses a JF has to pay for a new one out of their own pocket.

Why would we need API keys?

You do know i stated in the opening posts i know RANDOM NONE LOGISTICS SCRUBS die all the time.


and made it competently clear this is a thread about the killing of REAL null sec LOGISTICS JF's.


But you link a KB full of random none affiliated alliance scrubs, these are they same people that end up as stupid dead carrier's and other dumb ****.

Yes, and so do most alliance line members because most alliances have active war dec's, so a dead neutral player in a null sec system is still just that, unless you have a list of known CFC logistic members, and a accurate list of all losses.


THESE people are the ones running your logistics supply lines.


MY WATCH LIST is populated with neutral supply running JF's. i made this list by adding people to my watch list and when they log out i run locator agents on them to get there NULL sec locations, depending on what systems, area in space.

When i have confirmed there not a alt hauler for some null scrub(in jita every other day/daily) they get added to the KNOWN x alliance supply hauler.

Do you know how often the PRO's die?

I have seen only a few die, to ganking..... in ..... high sec.... NEVER in low sec or null sec.





As soon as you provide a acceptable list of Logistic alts from your alliance, showing clear API losses of JF, in use in low sec or null sec, that are CLEARLY members of your Logistic wing( we know its there its the same people that haul the loads of alliance moon poo to high sec)

But you cant do that can you, because they have no losses of any notable amount(ships lost), because they NEVER DIE during there runs.