Ships & Modules

The DLA is there for when a warfare module is not. I had an extra high slot, and with that small of a drone bay, it's only going to have scout drones. Might as well augment damage to the targets orbiting at over 44km with the DLA.

Oh that's why your DPS is so low. You're using Heavy Missiles instead of HAMs. Well you know a Tengu can hit out to 70km with HAMs and still do more DPS than either of your fits there, right? Also the Nighthawk can get about 750 DPS with HAMs, and a really good active tank with MWD. That's what I'd use, despite that lack of range bonuses.

Aren't glaring generalities fun?

Yes you can get out to 75km with Javelins if you want to use up all three rig slots on T2 and T1 cache fuel partition rigs.

taking that fit from page 3 and swapping a few things around (assault launchers, previously mentioned rigs)

You can get 590DPS with javelins at 75km with stats of 93.8m/152m/s

Playing with the same fit, you get 637DPS with Furies at 71km with stats of 98.3m/102m/s


Granted the HAM fit DPS will go up as ranges get shorter. But to simply claim it out DPS's the HML Tengu is only a partial truth. It would depend on your needs. The HML range starts at 71km and goes longer, the HAM fit maxes out at 75km.

Yea

T2 javelin ammo

Her fit shows t1 scourge.

Put Furies into her fit without modifcation and you get 637 DPS and 70km range

Apples and oranges.

My main other point is how you throw out a statement that a HAM tengu can hit to 75km without clarification, as if you can just take a tengu, throw some hams on it and bingo, uber range. When in fact you need over 120mil in rigs and T2 ammo to get that range.

Already addressed that in my post above. If you take that fit and "HAM" it up you have to replace the rigs with 2 T2 and 1 T1 fuel rig to get that 75km range.

If you then take the fit and put rigors you get the numbers I posted, which are pretty close in explosion velocity and radius.





Didn't hurt my feelings at all. But it is extremely difficult to have any meaningful discussion when people throw out half truth facts without clarification.

You have already stated your belief that the Tengu is way overpowered (which it isn't). And then you throw out a partial truth which makes it sound more overpowered than it is (Yes you can hit 75km, but you have to dedicate all of your rig slots and use T2 rigs, and long range ammo to make it work).

As a comparative example, even as broken as the Cerberus is, without any extra rigs it can hit to 103KM with javelin ammo. With T2 fuel rigs that goes to 148km with assault missiles.

I did no such thing. Any half truths were purely a product of your imagination for the sake of arguing with me.


Is it normal for a Cruiser to have BS tank before taking mobility into consideration, capable of close to1000 DPS and applying damage out to 70km? If it's not overpowered, then I guess this is pretty common for many cruiser class ships, right?


Partial truth? Either I lied or I didn't. Which is it?

Yeah. You forgot one minor detail there.

I see a problem with T3 ships in nullsec with larger numbers because of their incredible HP and low sig. Bomber can easily destroy battleships, but they can't kill T3's unless you have 50 well hitting bombs I guess. OP?

If an alliance can field 300 Lokis, no one can stop them. They alpha nearly everything, while they don't have to worry about bombers. OP?

They can kite very much fleet comps because of their low sig = sig/speed tanking.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Russians.

Which HACs are better in their combat roles than T3s?

25 days for Recon 5 - I can't point with my proteus at 109km like with my lach with boosts , jam with my tengu like with my falcon, Web with loki like I can do with huggin or neut with legion like I can do with curse

25days for Logi 5 -tell me when was the last time you saw a T3 gang with T3 logistics and please screen it, I'd like to have a nice laugh.

Both being exponentially overpowered over T3's doing or capable to do same stuff.

DPS T3's? -wtf is the issue??
HACs are total complete and utter crap except Zealot, that's not T3's fault.




I just proved to you they don't, you're displacing the real problem, being Command ships worst than they should be and HACs total kitty shite.

You should train for all 4 of them, use them as you seem to be experienced with logis and recons then come again tell us your experience, you'd change your opinion for sure.

The only way to get your T3 really badass is with your toon fully TOP 5 skills trained, pirate implants in his head, strong combat boosters (25M+piece) and another T3 pilot with links/implants and probably named implants worth billions+faction fits.
Then add tons of pimpy faction/officer stuff on your combat T3 and yes, you get a good ship. That's exactly what you can expect for this ship after that much effort (about the cost of a super hull just for 2 skilled implants/fitted toons)

Flash news, not everyone flies those that way and the chances you ever get one or a gang of these is in low sec and calm null sec entries but you can be sure they gtfo asap as soon as they start seeing numbers climb, they only attack the week unlike some very known players.