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Dust, money well spent eh?

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Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2013-05-31 09:22:33 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money.

I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means.

You're comparing player numbers of one of the most popular Console gaming FPS franchises ever that's been growing in player count for the last ten years with that of a new IP of a company most console owners have never heard of if they have ever heard of EVE at all...

Right, that's totally a fair comparison!

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#122 - 2013-05-31 09:28:07 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money.

I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means.
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I guess it means that World Of Warcraft is 16 times better than EVE?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-05-31 09:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
10 years ago EVE-O had 5-6000 people online at prime time and got luke warm reviews.


Of course it died off quickly after, while the popular competitor, Earth and Beyond, from the major publisher EA lasted for decades.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2013-05-31 10:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Swidgen
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign?

Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop.

other peoples thoughts?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review

The next big red-letter day is when the new Icelandic government lifts capital controls that curretnly prevent investors from moving their money out of Iceland. CCP gets a lot wrong but there's no way I want them to give up control of EVE to anyone else. It would only get worse. Not sure where we end up if Dust isn't a thing anymore by Christmas.

So where are the honest GOOD reviews? You know, the ones that aren't bought and paid for? Or do those even exist these days in the gaming trade?
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#125 - 2013-05-31 11:34:46 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Eli Green wrote:
update is coming in two weeks. That not quick enough for ya?

source.

If by "update" you mean a couple of teaks, than "no" because it doesn't count. We need a lot more than pushing a couple damage sliders around, I think you'll agree.


Tweak would be perfect at the moment, bug fixes, performance issues and balance issues should be the primary target for CCP right now. You (and a majority of the Dust forum warriors) also seem to be forgetting that Sony has regulations when it comes to patch deployment that will slow down this process for which there's nothing CCP can really do but follow Sony's rules.

wumbo
Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
#126 - 2013-05-31 11:40:30 UTC
The reviews are mixed but what sites that have reviewed the game are all pretty close to the same, which is mediocre game. I am still guessing it will be current eve players playing dust in their own interests and the game will only have a small following of eve players after a period of time.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#127 - 2013-05-31 11:40:53 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:

I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means.


So now we can review games from their player counts? Farmville must be amazing Roll

wumbo
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#128 - 2013-05-31 11:47:17 UTC
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign?

Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop.

other peoples thoughts?


IGN review?

They deliver worse and less credible "news" than EvENews24, and that should say something. Cool

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Orka Hudziy
Tax Avoid 4 EVER
#129 - 2013-05-31 11:52:59 UTC
Close DUST project , it makes EVE servers down.
Mela Vothis
Black Frog Logistics
Red-Frog
#130 - 2013-05-31 11:59:09 UTC
Im sure Dust is really good.........

If you like generic bland dull console FPS games
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-05-31 12:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Jak Onren wrote:
I like DUST.

I was one of those that played it in early beta, but RL got in the way, so I didn't manage to pick up again until last Saturday. Spent all day on it. My sniper rifle had horrible sway, so I tracked down the skill to cure it. I quite like the clunky movement. It reminds me of Dead Space. I am moving around in a bulky suit with a rifle nearly as long as I am tall after all.


But, You're also a super powered combat clone with more muscles than can be good for any human and enough brain implants to turn You into a robot.

Why would a mere Rifle impede Your movement, or a hyper advanced armored combat suit with (most probably) built in movement enhancing motors and a direct brain-computer interface to enhance Your performance in every possible way for that matter.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Lady Areola Fappington
#132 - 2013-05-31 12:15:54 UTC
Review site sillyness aside for a moment, DUST honestly achieves what CCP set out to do. There's not a whole lot revolutionary about the FPS genre anymore, and the slowness with the EVE roll-out is kind of shooting CCP in the foot when it comes to a draw point. DUST and EVE should have been fully integrated by the time beta ended.

The game itself is appealing to the EVE/FPS crossover group. Hopefully, CCP will expand on it more, to attract non EVE universe players into the fold.

As for review sites, paid ads and rating inflation has really killed the credibility of professional review sites. I seem to remember the "Kane and Lynch" debacle, where a reviewer got fired for doing an honest review. As for rating inflation...how the hell is it that anything below "7" on a 1-10 scale means crap. 5 should be an average game. Something fun, playable, might pick up a DLC for, but will end up in the "tade to Gamespot" bin. 7-10 should be reserved for the really excellent games, like Bioshock series, and Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-05-31 12:21:11 UTC
Mela Vothis wrote:
Im sure Dust is really good.........

If you like generic bland dull console FPS games


I played it for a few hours during beta, once You manage to defeat the bad controls it can be fun. The most fun tho was to fit my new suit layouts and think of even more devious ways to splatter my enemies across the next wall.

But i can have that in EVE, too or in Planetside, which is F2P, too.

Seeing how Dust turned out to be on the PS3 right now, I am almost inclined to believe some of the paranoia mongering of my friends who believe Sony made the deal with CCP to remove competion for Planetside 2... o_O

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Zxays
uncooperative freight company
#134 - 2013-05-31 12:31:53 UTC
Everybody who thinks Dust is bad game and IGNs reviews can be taken seriously should immediately get a copy of "Sonic Free Riders"!

After all IGN gave it a 7,5 out of 10 and called a it "strong launch title for Kinect".

-What could possibly go wrong? Cool
Gwenywell Shumuku
#135 - 2013-05-31 12:55:04 UTC
It seems odd to me that ppl forget to mention:

- 6k subscriptions for EvE at start = 6k paying customers = ccp survived it
- 6k players for Dust = no subs, no money.....the turnover for FTP games is about 2-5% = 6000*5%=300*15€= lol?!

So, even if we double or triple that amount its paling in comparison to what "successfull" means.

I really WANT Dust to succeed (and come to the PC), but for the moment EvE has to support DUST, and we get basically nothing out of it (yet) if you don't have a PS3 yourself.

Lets remember what the PR-guy told us last year: EVE+DUST will be the LARGEST GAME IN THE WORLD ....well could be. It really is not deliviering.

P.S. yea, Dust has to be a good FPS first, all other aspects come later. It clearly fails that goal atm.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2013-05-31 13:23:22 UTC
Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:
I really WANT Dust to succeed (and come to the PC),


You'll get my like for the bolded part.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-05-31 13:24:34 UTC
I have confidence Dust will improve, it is literally to big for CCP to scrap now, so it will slowly continue to improve as all CCP products always do. The only problem is it will keep sucking money from eve until it can survive on its own which I predict will still be a good few more years. The mechanics are just awful as every review as pointed out, CCP really needs to go back to basics on it and get the core shooting gameplay fun. Also the poor graphics really don't help.
dark heartt
#138 - 2013-05-31 13:41:39 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:

I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means.


This point fails when you consider that CCP is happy for DUST to start small and grow slowly, much the way that Eve did, rather than explode onto the scene and then disappear just as quickly.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#139 - 2013-05-31 13:53:55 UTC
Potential to be a good game isn't a good game and rarely leads to one. Every company that releases a crap game talks about it's "potential" these days. At least the buck stopped at WarZ and we hopefully won't see anymore "foundation" games with "potential" like that.

The comparison to EVE's beginnings are nonsense. EVE was a solid unique subscription game with very little competition and still is. DUST is a clone in a sea of FPS clones and is free to play. We'll be carrying this sack of crap for a long time and I hope it doesn't sink the ship. At least the Vampire WoW game they're making doesn't have any connections to EVE unless maybe they're gonna write in the lore that the Jove were really vampires...
Litair
Nleesh
#140 - 2013-05-31 14:04:03 UTC
I'd kinda like if someone could point me to an article or some kind of evidence that indicates IGN gets paid to make good reviews. I just see a lot of people using that as an auto-response when they have nothing better to say, but repeating something over and over doesn't necessarily make it right if it was wrong in the first place. :o