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Dust, money well spent eh?

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#61 - 2013-05-30 18:37:41 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone?


Not an answer to your question, but I can think of at least a dozen games that got glowing reviews and then crapped out really fast. So the opposite must be true. It's just easier to find the epic fails than the glorious wins. We, as humans, seem to be like that.

In any case, I don't play games based on what I read online. I play them based on how much I enjoy the demo.

Mr Epeen Cool



True. Half the games with glowing reviews I wouldn't touch.


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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#62 - 2013-05-30 18:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
The IGN review lost all credibility with me right about here...
Quote:
....strong ties to the most influential EVE guilds....


Guilds is the most common term in MMOs for player organizations. When writing reviews for a broad audience its normal to use common terms.

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Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-05-30 19:08:33 UTC
And I quote, ", turning the experience into more of a test of patience than a test of multiplayer skill." Similar to EVE hehe.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#64 - 2013-05-30 19:17:32 UTC
http://www.tentonhammer.com/reviews/dust-514

So talking of reviews 90/100?

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-05-30 19:21:08 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
since this shouldn't be a thread about IGN, here's the eurogamer review.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-dust-514-review

Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset.


if you gather ISK/SP with every battle then how is that not grind?

it is an FPS game so there's nothing wrong with explaining it in a context FPS gamers understand, ie. weapon unlocks etc. particularly as this is aimed at them, not eve players, which surely is the reason for targeting a console platform.

You haven't played DUST have you...

If you want to discuss how skill points are accumulated, including bonuses for participating in matches, you should really learn how it works first.


yeah i read you accumulate some SP by playing and the rest is like eve. like i'm going to buy a PS3 so i can play this nonsense.

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Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-05-30 19:52:50 UTC
its actually credible

dust 514 is poop and the fanboys always try to disagrees

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WarlockX
Free Trade Corp
#67 - 2013-05-30 19:58:09 UTC
CCP always has great ideas however never manage to complete those ideas in a reasonable amount of time. Honestly walking in stations was not that bad of an idea when you look at it. Gambling halls, player owned housing/establishments. Programable NPCS. Imagine if all stations had establishments which players can program npcs for. There would be a crazy amount of player made content for the whole comunity. However out of all these things promised we got an empty single player room.

Dust is much the same way. They promise the moon and deliver a lobby based fps with bad fps mechanics.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#68 - 2013-05-30 20:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I've dropped some coin on DUST too... just because it ties into my favorite game EvE, though.

There are a lot of fundamental problems. Driving vehicles is not fun. It's terrible. The control sucks. The controls suck. It's just bad. There's also no real point to anything. Sure you can join matches, but win or loose you'll get about the same pay and skill points either way. The "salvage" you get off of the battlefield is random and has nothing to do with player performance. In fact, nothing has much to do with player performance. I also like to collect stuff... but that's lost on the DUST devs. They remove items and dropsuits like it's the cool thing to do, and then just refund your isk or aurum when they take those items away. I want to move some of my stuff from my DUST guy to eve for safe keeping, since EvE CCP is a lot better about that stuff... but not only can't you move stuff... not only is there no economic or trade ties to eve still, but I'm convinced DUST is actually running mostly on an isolated database from EvE. So... wake-up call to anyone who thinks there's any chance of closer EvE/DUST ties coming soon... I started working on a list of DUST dropsuits like the one I made for spaceships. The items in DUST that are not 'red' are correct for people playing dust, but if you check out the links in EvE you see the red ones are still good and a bunch of the ones updated in DUST can't be viewed in EvE. This means EvE's view of items in DUST are distinctly separate from DUST. ...and just look at the dust items. If you view an item, it's got a low-bit icon... no bust of screen of the dropsuit. ...and a preview? Forget about it. The DUST items as we see them in EvE have less significance than NPC mission items. They are just placeholders, it looks like to me.

They need to make DUST fun. They need to fix vehicle control big time, and stop talking about the "meaning" of DUST and start actually showing it. Right now I can't see the point of anything in DUST for the individual FPS player. I"m just playing games, shooting people, and hoping this is all going somewhere.

WarlockX wrote:
CCP always has great ideas however never manage to complete those ideas in a reasonable amount of time. Honestly walking in stations was not that bad of an idea when you look at it. Gambling halls, player owned housing/establishments. Programable NPCS. Imagine if all stations had establishments which players can program npcs for. There would be a crazy amount of player made content for the whole comunity. However out of all these things promised we got an empty single player room.

Dust is much the same way. They promise the moon and deliver a lobby based fps with bad fps mechanics.


This is sooooo true. CCP promises us the future and then tosses us bread crumbs. We've become accustomed to that in eve. FPSers aren't going to stick around for that BS though. If CCP can't drag their sword across the line in DUST we in EvE are in big trouble, because DUST is going to 'sink' up development rl money while eve development continues to stagnate. Then what?

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Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-05-30 20:33:01 UTC
I have this awful habit since birth it's called Free Will. I don't care what reviews say about a game If I want to try it, I will and then I'll decide for myself as was the case of SWTOR before F2P, got to 50 nothing to do, quit.
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-05-30 20:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Brit Green wrote:
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:


other peoples thoughts?



Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum.


wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference...

I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it / play it... money that will then be lost and we/ccp will have a dead weight game bringing eve down.

I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things).
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-05-30 20:52:27 UTC
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
Brit Green wrote:
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:


other peoples thoughts?



Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum.


wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference...

I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it... money that will then be lost and we will have a dead weight game bringing eve down.

I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things).

sorry, I want to take you seriously, but your name is FLUFFY DELIVERIES, and that invalidates all your points.

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FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-05-30 20:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: FLUFFY DELIVERIES
Grimpak wrote:
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
Brit Green wrote:
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:


other peoples thoughts?



Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum.


wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference...

I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it... money that will then be lost and we will have a dead weight game bringing eve down.

I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things).

sorry, I want to take you seriously, but your name is FLUFFY DELIVERIES, and that invalidates all your points.


Fair point, i'm a hauling alt who i didn't mean to use for this post - apologies Smile
Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#73 - 2013-05-30 20:55:51 UTC
DUST sucks. Nothing to see here. Valiant attempt CCP but it just isn't that fun to play.

(maybe put it on PC instead of PS3? The only people who play FPS on consoles are fratboys that have never heard of EVE or CCP)

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-05-30 20:59:45 UTC
I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#75 - 2013-05-30 21:05:35 UTC
I guess it could be tragic - if I had any interest in non-massive lobby-based console shooters.

And IGN reviews sucks. Most likely Dust isn't *that* bad.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-05-30 21:23:45 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'.


this is a console FPS game though, I'm not sure it's as much of a keeper. great idea and all but if it's mainly going to get support from eve fanbois then they should have put it on the PC in the first place.

time will tell i guess.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#77 - 2013-05-30 21:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
since this shouldn't be a thread about IGN, here's the eurogamer review.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-dust-514-review

Slightly more insightful, however whenever a reviewer mentions grinding in relation to DUST that is a sure sign that they don't really understand how the game works... and that at least to a degree they are still stuck in a typcial FPS mindset.


if you gather ISK/SP with every battle then how is that not grind?

it is an FPS game so there's nothing wrong with explaining it in a context FPS gamers understand, ie. weapon unlocks etc. particularly as this is aimed at them, not eve players, which surely is the reason for targeting a console platform.

You haven't played DUST have you...

If you want to discuss how skill points are accumulated, including bonuses for participating in matches, you should really learn how it works first.


yeah i read you accumulate some SP by playing and the rest is like eve. like i'm going to buy a PS3 so i can play this nonsense.

I realize you have a personal agenda, that being you are irritated that it's not available for PC (which is somewhat ironic), but again you do not need to grind in DUST to develop a character. If you choose to you skill up more quickly, but by the same token if you play something completely unrelated for awhile you still gain skill points until you come back.

DUST only becomes a grind fest if you choose to play it that way, which is something those reviewers refuse to admit (if they even bothered to play it long enough to be aware of these facts to begin with).

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-30 21:36:30 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
I remember seeing reviews for EVE in the low 6's when it was first released. Just sayin'.


this is a console FPS game though, I'm not sure it's as much of a keeper. great idea and all but if it's mainly going to get support from eve fanbois then they should have put it on the PC in the first place.

time will tell i guess.


Agreed, why it wasn't put it on PC, I cannot fathom. Point being, review scores mean very little.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#79 - 2013-05-30 21:40:02 UTC
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:
Brit Green wrote:
FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:


other peoples thoughts?



Play it if you want or don't play it if you don't want. Just stop with all the dust crying in the eve forum.


wow someone is mad, this is reasonable debate not crying - please learn the difference...

I asked what people's thoughts were because i'm pretty sure its our subscription money being spent on dust and even if it isn't it is directly connected to eve... and if the general gaming community don't like it they wont spend their money on it / play it... money that will then be lost and we/ccp will have a dead weight game bringing eve down.

I didn't say it was a bad game i was pointing to a website that didn't like it - a website that a lot of console gamers use and believe in. Not to mention this isn't the only website saying the same things (and i don't mean good things).

FYI, it's not "our subscription money". It is CCPs money to develop with as they wish, just like every other game company in the industry. Just like every other viable company out there CCP recognizes that diversification is wise.

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Admiral Pieg
Aztek Industries
#80 - 2013-05-30 21:50:38 UTC
Dust 514 is really surprising to me actually. Most of the time CCP have made good decisions with regard to the industry, but this game really baffles me. It would be nice to hear what their original vision for this game was, because i have a hard time understanding how the people that brought us EVE also gave us this generic garbage. I mean the first time when they hatched the idea, how didn't someone in the room stand up and say no, just.. no?