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Ice "the Oil of Eve" War Creator

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Sek Des
Somewhere in Time
#1 - 2013-05-30 07:14:12 UTC
Made a post in the market discussion with zero responses, about the future Price of Ice.
I am surprised , Sounds like a great way to create chaos that could stimulate the EvE economy. Ships should be popping including more ice miners. Anyone agree its a good idea that is not getting much attention ?


@ 11 minutes CCP stream from today
Danni stark
#2 - 2013-05-30 07:32:38 UTC
i'm not actually convinced they're sure what they're talking about, especially with regard to high sec ice mining.

they want to make it less passive, yet you can still go afk until your cargo is full. it's still just as passive and afkable.
they want to reward people for putting in more effort, but changing which menu the ice belt appears on isn't "more effort", yet every one is getting more reward.

don't get me wrong, the ice changes are nice and all but they really don't address either of the points they keep banging on about.

oh also that "war dec" comment made me giggle. so fozzy, when are we going to be able to wardec npc corps? because that's what it'll take to war dec miners. or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced?

i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-05-30 07:43:58 UTC
Danni stark wrote:


i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.


I doubt it.
Danni stark
#4 - 2013-05-30 07:48:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Danni stark wrote:


i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.


I doubt it.


me too, sadly. i think i typed that line to convince myself more than any one else.
Sek Des
Somewhere in Time
#5 - 2013-05-30 07:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sek Des
Danni stark wrote:

i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.


If you go around and scan ships you will be surprised how many ice miners are under tanked in macs , hardly ever see hulks. I see a resurgence in ganking on the horizon. I can see Skiffs happening<--
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-05-30 07:52:32 UTC
Sek Des wrote:
Danni stark wrote:

i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.


If you go around and scan ships you will be surprised how many ice miners are under tanked in macs , hardly ever see hulks. I see a resurgence in ganking on the horizon


Oh we aren't shocked. Even at the height of the ice interdictions they flew untanked hulks with cargo extenders that made them even easier to gank. Even now they chose to fly retrievers that are profitable to gank over macks that aren't.
Danni stark
#7 - 2013-05-30 08:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Danni stark
baltec1 wrote:
Even now they chose to fly retrievers that are profitable to gank over macks that aren't.


i do this. there are a myriad of reasons why.

however i did go and gank a miner the other day, and it was actually an eye opener of how easy it was to do. i was actually sitting there for a good 3-4 seconds waiting for concord after the gank.

the problem with mackinaws is that unless you fill them with 3x IHUs and leave yourself with enough free fitting room for 1 invuln and probably not a lot else depending on your rig selection (of which you only have 1 slot to use) then you're better off in a skiff as the yield will be equal or greater and you'll have far superior tank. however 3 IHUs just make you a nice target for padding killboards unlike a retriever.

if i was going to lose one of the two, i'd rather lose retrievers than mackinaws. easier on the wallet.
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-30 08:02:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sek Des wrote:
Danni stark wrote:

i guess the skiff *might* see some use now, finally.


If you go around and scan ships you will be surprised how many ice miners are under tanked in macs , hardly ever see hulks. I see a resurgence in ganking on the horizon


Oh we aren't shocked. Even at the height of the ice interdictions they flew untanked hulks with cargo extenders that made them even easier to gank. Even now they chose to fly retrievers that are profitable to gank over macks that aren't.


That's because they're going for volume.

Example: http://i.imgur.com/KI0ifJG.jpg

Losing one retriever or ten doesn't matter, but you want to maximize the number of ice coming in. The odessey changes primarily aim to force scarcity on a currently infinite resource, this means there will be a price floor for this commodity, so the faster you can stockpile them now, the bigger your RoI will be.
Danni stark
#9 - 2013-05-30 08:04:23 UTC
that screenshot. how old were the characters there? did you check? i'm curious.
Sek Des
Somewhere in Time
#10 - 2013-05-30 08:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sek Des
Danni stark wrote:
[quote=baltec1
however i did go and gank a miner the other day, and it was actually an eye opener of how easy it was to do. i was actually sitting there for a food 3-4 seconds waiting for concord after the gank.

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The New tags should make it nice and easy to gank under tanked stuff consistently with out much trouble. I look forward to the chaos in the market, could drive up Ice price and general chaos( is my hope).
Danni stark
#11 - 2013-05-30 08:06:41 UTC
Sek Des wrote:
The New tags should make it nice and easy to gank under tanked stuff consistently with out much trouble. I look forward to the chaos in the market, could drive up Ice price and general chaos( is my hope).


as far as i can tell, there are still easier ways to raise sec status. or at least, lazier ways.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-05-30 08:19:13 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Sek Des wrote:
The New tags should make it nice and easy to gank under tanked stuff consistently with out much trouble. I look forward to the chaos in the market, could drive up Ice price and general chaos( is my hope).


as far as i can tell, there are still easier ways to raise sec status. or at least, lazier ways.


We don't even bother.

Danni stark
#13 - 2013-05-30 08:23:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We don't even bother.


trying to figure out if that's lazy, or efficient...
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#14 - 2013-05-30 08:24:51 UTC
Can we have a T2 POS that runs with biofuels and solar energy?

And a reaction to synthesize liquid ozone out of oxygen.

Thank you.
pussnheels
Viziam
#15 - 2013-05-30 08:34:49 UTC
i do not think it will be such a chaos
ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe
while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers

price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular

i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2013-05-30 10:22:32 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
i do not think it will be such a chaos
ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe
while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers

price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular

i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs

They won't be safe from gankers because the gankers put more effort into their gameplay than the ice miners, they will follow the miners and make them explode, nothing will change in that respect. What may change is that we may end up with groups of ice miners willing to fight for "ownership" of a belt, or at least employ others who are willing to gank rival groups of miners.

It already happens in some small way, for example James and his merry band of suicidal pilots have both financial and material support from some miners and industrialists, they're good for business.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Holdings
#17 - 2013-05-30 10:43:58 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced?


20% less tax isn't enough?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2013-05-30 10:53:04 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced?


20% less tax isn't enough?

Try 11%, that's the NPC corp tax rate.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-05-30 10:59:38 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
i do not think it will be such a chaos
ice still will be available in high sec most smart ice miners will take the trouble to scan out their littlebelts and mine their ice relative safe
while the bots will all be found in the few systems that still have static icebelts will be a heaven for gankers

price might rise for a while but i do not think spectacular


AFAIK there won't be any systems with static icebelts

pussnheels wrote:
i do look forward to the many whines of ice miners who never read the devblogs


Agreed. The Tearnami will be amazing.


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#20 - 2013-05-30 11:13:28 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
...or, alternatively what edge are you giving people in player corps to offset the fact that they CAN be war decced?


20% less tax isn't enough?


mine in npc corp, trade ore to 1 char tax shelter refiner. sell maximum profit. tax shelter char never leaves station so no worry about war dec and npc corp means you can mine with only the minuscule chance of being ganked. bonus - this can all be done on one account and with the new plex system will allow you to train that corp holder without ruining progression on your main.
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