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Gnosis, how to survive as a newbee.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#1 - 2013-05-29 14:31:25 UTC
Hi.

I've got a free Gnosis and I do not want to lose this ship very quickly. But I want to use it so keep it in hangar is not an option. So the question is how to fit it properly, with all newbee skills I have.

I understand it is all about proper tanking and quickly getting out.

For me tanking means Damage Control II, 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I, Medium Armor Repairer and Adaptive Invulnerability Field of some kind.

Speed means I need a MWD, After burner and probably Overdrive Injector System

So, not much CPU and power grid left :(

I have a Gallente character. So I train hybrid turrets. But is it the right weapon for Gnosis, that can use anything? To stay alive I should probably use a sniper setup - should I train launchers? Ppl in battleclinic suggest artilery, but it is also powergrid consuming...

Please help - any advice will be appreciated, since now is the time, when I choose what skills to learn first.
Haulie Berry
#2 - 2013-05-29 14:35:44 UTC
Survive what, exactly?

PvE, or a gank?

The former is easy. The latter, your best bet is to not be there. Lol
Zippy Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-29 14:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zippy Aideron
erg cz wrote:
Hi.

I've got a free Gnosis and I do not want to lose this ship very quickly. But I want to use it so keep it in hangar is not an option. So the question is how to fit it properly, with all newbee skills I have.

I understand it is all about proper tanking and quickly getting out.

For me tanking means Damage Control II, 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I, Medium Armor Repairer and Adaptive Invulnerability Field of some kind.

Speed means I need a MWD, After burner and probably Overdrive Injector System

So, not much CPU and power grid left :(

I have a Gallente character. So I train hybrid turrets. But is it the right weapon for Gnosis, that can use anything? To stay alive I should probably use a sniper setup - should I train launchers? Ppl in battleclinic suggest artilery, but it is also powergrid consuming...

Please help - any advice will be appreciated, since now is the time, when I choose what skills to learn first.

The gnosis only shines when you have good fitting/support skills, however also i see flaws in what you are saying, 1600mm plate AND armour rep, mwd AND afterburner AND overdrive...no.

For pvp, dont use it as you have 'newbie skills' and will loose it in a ball of fire.

For pve just put in drones (duh) and railguns, lows put in 2 med armour reppers, and 2 mission specific harderners, then put either 2 mag stabs/drone damage depending on which one does more dps so you want to boost that one. Mids you want afterburner and all cap rechargers, (use fitting tool to test cap stability for the next bit) if you are still not cap stable, add capacitor control rigs on there and u should be stable if you have 3 on, otherwise dont fly the gnosis and train some cap skills, and in that spare high you want a tractor beam for looting mission objectives/from a nice npc kill (faction/ elite etc).

I personally would keep hold of it then sell it when people like yourself start loosing them to pvp/rats/ganks.

Zip
Jane Schereau
#4 - 2013-05-29 14:42:38 UTC
First, let me discourage you: You only get one gnosis, the ship is/will become a tank magnet, you will loose it :p

Now, to answer your question. You are dual tanking that ship with the modules you suggested. Big no-no unless you are planning on being bait. So choose one kind of tank: shields or armor. Seeing how you want speed, shields may be the way for you to go.

Gnosis can use any weapon equally poorly. Use whatever fits your playing style and what you have a ton of support skills for.

With that, I'll leave you with this Gnosis fitting guide: http://themittani.com/features/gnosis-users-manual
Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-29 14:45:11 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hi.

I've got a free Gnosis and I do not want to lose this ship very quickly. But I want to use it so keep it in hangar is not an option. So the question is how to fit it properly, with all newbee skills I have.

I understand it is all about proper tanking and quickly getting out.

For me tanking means Damage Control II, 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I, Medium Armor Repairer and Adaptive Invulnerability Field of some kind.

Speed means I need a MWD, After burner and probably Overdrive Injector System

So, not much CPU and power grid left :(

I have a Gallente character. So I train hybrid turrets. But is it the right weapon for Gnosis, that can use anything? To stay alive I should probably use a sniper setup - should I train launchers? Ppl in battleclinic suggest artilery, but it is also powergrid consuming...

Please help - any advice will be appreciated, since now is the time, when I choose what skills to learn first.


OK. Dont shield *and* armor tank - so if you run the 1600 plates and the EANM and repper, then dont use the Invul in the midslots.

Similarly, you probably wont want to run the MWD and the afterburner - pick a strategy and stick to it.

Basically, thats the theme you should follow - decide what the ship is supposed to do, and then ask yourself 'How does putting this item in this slot help with what the ship is supposed to do'.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#6 - 2013-05-29 14:58:39 UTC
I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.

But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power
Zippy Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-29 15:15:54 UTC
erg cz wrote:
I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.

But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power

Okay never dual tank unless you are bait, also dont plan anything for exploration so close to odyssey because its about to change, i would just wait and carry on with what your currently doing then after odyssey and a couple of days people will know more about the updated exploration.

Zip
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#8 - 2013-05-29 16:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Sell it and buy 4 vexors, you will learn a lot more having lost 4 ships as opposed to just the one.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-29 18:40:40 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.
Just that phrase makes me think that you lack the knowledge to survive a gank.

Bubbles are a null and wormhole mechanic. If your Gnosis ends up in a bubble while your are solo, you will be dead. Period. Speed wont help you escape. A gnosis is rather slow - anyone who puts up a bubble will also have a fast ship to web and point you, and once that is done, you can no longer escape, even if you manage to crawl out of the bubble.

And, do you really want to fly into wormholes with your Gnosis? Or worse, null? That's asking for it to be exploded.

As Haulie said, your best bet to survive a gank is to not be there.

If you really want to venture out of high-sec, learn how to use d-scan and be extremely paranoid. As a Gnosis is a slow and jucy target you should always be aligned and ready to warp out at the first sign of trouble. That should protect you 90% of the time, but there's still that 9% where your attention slips and that 1% where someone really wants to kill you and takes a stealth bomber to tackle you out of nowhere.

If you stick in high-sec ... it's a bit harder to gank you, as you will be protected by Concord. Again, speed won't help you at all - suicide gankers usually use destroyers, which will be faster than you, even with a MWD. Your goal is to survive for the 20 seconds or so it takes for Concord to survive. There are basically two scenarios: 1) someone decides they want a Gnosis kill today, for fun. Your best bet in that case is that you are harder to kill then that other Gnosis in the system and hope they go after him. Anything else is pointless - e.g. if you up your tank, they can just bring more ships. 2) someone decides they want to kill a Gnosis for profit. That's better for you, as by having a big enough tank (and cheap fittings), you can make it unprofitable to gank you.

In the end, I don't think you know enough about EVE yet to survive a gank. If you want to fly your Gnosis, your best bet is to stick to high-sec and pray that no-one decides to gank you. Or better, fly cheaper ships and lose a couple until you have a better graps on the mechanics involved.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-05-29 21:50:21 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Sell it and buy 4 vexors, you will learn a lot more having lost 4 ships as opposed to just the one.


best advice so far. The second best option would to keep on a dusty shelf until your skills (both SP and game mechanic knowledge) catch up with the ship. As a pirate I can't even count the number of times me and my friends have "WTF???" moments looking at someone's fitting. Just because you can fly a certain ship does not mean you should.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-29 22:21:33 UTC
I might say don't fly what you can't afford to lose...but since I got a few and am holding on to them until they get rare - Please! Fly that sucker all the time!
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#12 - 2013-05-29 22:43:28 UTC
I'd suggest that you hold off on fitting and flying the Gnosis until Oddysey comes out, and until you've done some of the new mechanics for awhile in a less valuable ship. Once you get a hang of the mechanics and challenges you'll face in that cheaper ship, then I'd look into fitting and using the Gnosis.

Even then, I'd wait until you get T2 modules and a better feel for the game. However, I understand your desire to use it, so just be careful. Remember, they're unique and have a limited supply, so you can buy a new one to replace yours if it gets blown up... for now.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#13 - 2013-05-29 22:53:11 UTC
erg cz wrote:
I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.

But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power


Sell it if you plan on being in places where you can be killed. (low/null sec..have a killright on you...stealing loot and going suspect..etc)

You cannot run and escape as easily as you think.
Haulie Berry
#14 - 2013-05-29 23:09:26 UTC
erg cz wrote:
I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.

But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power


Yeah, you're a killmail waiting to happen. Fly something else for now.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2013-05-30 02:05:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
With good fitting skills and T2 Medium Guns/Drones, you can rock level 3's.

Probably rock them even more with T2 Heavy Missiles.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#16 - 2013-05-30 06:03:58 UTC
Andracin wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Sell it and buy 4 vexors, you will learn a lot more having lost 4 ships as opposed to just the one.


best advice so far. The second best option would to keep on a dusty shelf until your skills (both SP and game mechanic knowledge) catch up with the ship. As a pirate I can't even count the number of times me and my friends have "WTF???" moments looking at someone's fitting. Just because you can fly a certain ship does not mean you should.


There are a number of Gnosis in circulation, and I believe that the collectors edition will come with a Gnosis BP, so more will be made. By then you hopefully will be making enough to buy a few from the open market.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2013-05-30 07:10:21 UTC
Celeste Taylor wrote:
There are a number of Gnosis in circulation, and I believe that the collectors edition will come with a Gnosis BP, so more will be made. By then you hopefully will be making enough to buy a few from the open market.

Last I looked they were selling in Jita for 90m, which really isn't that bad for a fancy battlecruiser.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#18 - 2013-05-30 07:44:35 UTC
@Zippy Aideron: I will surely not fly it before Odyssey will come. Simply because I will not have skills to equip fitting I want. And I keep an eye on published changes about Odessey exploring. It will make exploration simplier but even after the patch I will have to count with rats in anomalies: they seem to be having some triggers, so even there will be no rats at the start I will have to fight later anyway. Guns will still be needed.

@Corey Fumimasa: vexor is not an option for an exploration ship and I am not decided yet if I go vexor or thorax way, speaking about combat ship. Those will be ships I am gonna lose learning. This very topic is about how not to lose Gnosis that quick ;)

@Thomas Builder I am extremly paranoid. With Gnosis I will be 90% of time expecting that someone really wants to kill me and there is a bomber somewhere near. wormholes are far away future. I am not persuated, that bubbles do not happen in low sec. And low sec is not that far away future (I did finished tutorial day before yesterday). I will use Imicus / thorax / Catalist combo to explore and salvage for a time being. So yes - cheap ships to lose are there ;) But I wanted to know, what skill to focus on now, if I want to fly Gnosis later. At this moment it seems that I will have to learn launchers, despite the fact, that I am a gallentian.

Thanks for the help, folks.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-05-30 07:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
I use my Gnosis for PVP.. specifically to kill other Gnosis.

The issue is... to fit it really well due to it's low resist you need a lot of support skills.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#20 - 2013-05-30 07:56:00 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:


you need a lot of support skills.


And that is way I created that topic in the first place - to find out, what skills to focus on.


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