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GRENE BROTEAU FOUND GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS; REPUBLIC DEMANDS EXTRADITION
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#21 - 2013-05-28 22:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Che Biko wrote:
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[..]the Tribal Assembly released a statement criticizing the speed of the Federation's justice system and requesting immediate extradition of Broteau to face charges in the Republic for the death of Karin Midular and several other Republic residents attending the festival.
I guess I can see why one would think the trial went too quick, but I'm not sure why the tribals would feel that way. I'm perplexed.
And what exactly is the point of a trial if the convicted is going to be trialed again for the same transgressions before the sentencing hearing of the first trial took place? Are the tribals not satisfied with the guilty verdict? I'm perplexed. Really.


They're saying the trial went too slow.

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#22 - 2013-05-28 22:43:56 UTC
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-05-28 23:38:40 UTC
This is just a thought, but the Republic might be more likely get their way if they greased the wheels a little bit. Say, by offering reparations for Colelie. The Federation gets some ISK to pay for supporting the bereaved families and maybe building a memorial hospital or something, and in return the Tribes get their man.

It'd go some way towards mending the damaged done to the relationship between both nations. And this is spoken as somebody who wants the Federation and the Republic to drift apart somewhat.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#24 - 2013-05-28 23:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
More that it would make the Republic government look incredibly infantile for their impatience, if they end up getting their man in the end.


You make it sound like invading your strongest ally with a dreadnaught squadron when you don't get your way is a bad thing.

This is exactly why he should not be extradited. To return him to the Tribal Entity now would only validate their aggression against the Federation.

They have shown us what they are, why some in the Federation will not see it is disconcerting.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-05-29 01:07:09 UTC
Sure, but it would be both interesting and satisfying, on a personal level, if the Federation simply extradited Broteau along with a little baggy containing the shredded remains of the current Federation/Republic treaty. It's obviously what Shakor wants, so I don't see how anyone could complain.

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Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-05-29 02:59:00 UTC
I do not understand what the Republic hopes to gain by taking this man into custody. The man has no remorse, no guilt, fear or a care in the world. They will execute him no doubt but to what end? Vengeance? You can't seek vengeance on someone you can't hurt.

This is far from over and I can only hope the Federation quietly does away with this person in a unremarkable manor, on an out of the way world with an unmarked grave. Don't make a martyr out of him for whatever faction or end he hope to accomplish, don't give him the satisfaction of a public execution. Just walk into his cell one day off him, bury him send the footage the Matari and end it.

I can't see it ending well any other way.

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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-05-29 03:31:02 UTC

What we gotta do to be able to question this guy? Without all the lawyers and "you have a right to be silent" and such.

Just a chair, a room, and a brutor.

He gonna say something.

Whether it's "oh god this hurts" or every name, every detail.

But he gonna say something.

I don't support killin him.

De best punishment is this.

Make him live with some brothers, teach him, feed him, show him the way.
Liberty Roach
October Country
#28 - 2013-05-29 03:38:40 UTC
It's a bit of a waste just killing him. They could auction him off, and then whoever pays the most could get to do what they like to him. Then they could do something nice with the money.
Ollie Rundle
#29 - 2013-05-29 04:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ollie Rundle
I find myself agreeing reluctantly with some of the views above.

In terms of the Federation-Republic relationship, the guilty on all counts verdict really serves only one purpose. It gives the Tribal Assembly the legal option, under extradition treaties agreed upon between the two nations, to now go ahead and formally (re)apply for extradition of the criminal.

Whether the Supreme Court will allow it is as yet undetermined. However, it can be presumed that the events at Colelie - for which the Republic military must accept at least some responsibility - have certainly not been conducive to a decision being made in favour of the Tribal Assembly's interests.

Those wishing for peace between the two empires must hope that Federal law truly is blind when it comes time to consider this lunatic's extradition request.
Vinh Trahn
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#30 - 2013-05-29 06:59:08 UTC
This man is a danger to all Minmatar living in the Federation, and through his actions a danger to the Republic and the Federation. Go ahead and point and laugh at the idea of a Republic Fleet jumping into Federation space. The fact that I can actually see it happen all over one man is disconcerting indeed.

I say extradite him, let the tribal council have it's way with him and be done with it.

I have a feeling this man, and those he may or may not work with have already accomplished their goals of tearing the Federation and the Republic apart.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-29 07:21:14 UTC
If the Republic hadn't violated our sovereignty twice and murdered thousands of our navymen in a fit of pique, all in a vain attempt to obtain something we might well have granted them anyway, I'd be all in favour of extraditing the bastard.

As it stands, I say we deal with him ourselves.

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-29 07:57:44 UTC
So long as "dealing with him" includes sending the torn up scraps of the Federation/Republic treaties back to Shakor. In my eyes, that's the important part.

Hell, should this happen, I will happily return to the warm and welcoming arms of the Federation.

(Did I just say that? I've been drinking a little...)

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Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-05-29 08:01:40 UTC
It's always sad when friends fight.
The Minmatar need all the friends they can get at this point. Mind you, everyone needs to learn the lesson of decisions and consequences sometime and sometimes you need to learn that lesson the hard way.

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Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-05-29 08:04:01 UTC
I am inclined to agree with Andreus here. Not usually one to give the Federation any credit for any reason, they have kept to due process and legal procedure even under the pressure that their treaty with the Republic has placed upon them. I understand the driving forces behind the Republic's strong-arm tactics as of late, but passion is no excuse to spit on the considerable aid that the Federation has provided over the years to the Republic (for benevolent or malign reasons it matters not at this juncture).

If the Federation releases this man into Republic custody, it will truly be a coup for public relations and certainly make me lean back in my chair and wonder if maybe, with a different President and cabinet, the Federation could be heading towards a brighter future. To be honest, even if they keep him, I'll consider it proof that law over rides political jostling, even in the Fed.

As for the Republic, remember that we as outsiders have no idea if these childish provocations are the acts of a dominant few, or an expression of underlying sentiment that runs down to grass roots movements. For this reason, for what little it is worth, I do not consider the actions of the Republic Fleet to be reflective of the citizenry of that nation, but I do consider it to be a dire portent of what might come of a government that leads with the heart, not the head.

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Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#35 - 2013-05-29 10:21:20 UTC
Hmh, Republic is acting like a spoiled brat.

Lashing out violently when people don't do things their way. As they cry foul of noone respecting their ways and customs they **** all over other peoples customs and traditions with no regard to anything but their own. What selfish nation they are. They should really get their head out of their arses and see that they are nothing but failed cultural imperialists.

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#36 - 2013-05-29 10:44:00 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
I am inclined to agree with Andreus here. Not usually one to give the Federation any credit for any reason, they have kept to due process and legal procedure even under the pressure that their treaty with the Republic has placed upon them. I understand the driving forces behind the Republic's strong-arm tactics as of late, but passion is no excuse to spit on the considerable aid that the Federation has provided over the years to the Republic (for benevolent or malign reasons it matters not at this juncture).

If the Federation releases this man into Republic custody, it will truly be a coup for public relations and certainly make me lean back in my chair and wonder if maybe, with a different President and cabinet, the Federation could be heading towards a brighter future. To be honest, even if they keep him, I'll consider it proof that law over rides political jostling, even in the Fed.

As for the Republic, remember that we as outsiders have no idea if these childish provocations are the acts of a dominant few, or an expression of underlying sentiment that runs down to grass roots movements. For this reason, for what little it is worth, I do not consider the actions of the Republic Fleet to be reflective of the citizenry of that nation, but I do consider it to be a dire portent of what might come of a government that leads with the heart, not the head.


Very eloquently and professionally put.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#37 - 2013-05-29 10:54:48 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
I am inclined to agree with Andreus here. Not usually one to give the Federation any credit for any reason, they have kept to due process and legal procedure even under the pressure that their treaty with the Republic has placed upon them. I understand the driving forces behind the Republic's strong-arm tactics as of late, but passion is no excuse to spit on the considerable aid that the Federation has provided over the years to the Republic (for benevolent or malign reasons it matters not at this juncture).

If the Federation releases this man into Republic custody, it will truly be a coup for public relations and certainly make me lean back in my chair and wonder if maybe, with a different President and cabinet, the Federation could be heading towards a brighter future. To be honest, even if they keep him, I'll consider it proof that law over rides political jostling, even in the Fed.

As for the Republic, remember that we as outsiders have no idea if these childish provocations are the acts of a dominant few, or an expression of underlying sentiment that runs down to grass roots movements. For this reason, for what little it is worth, I do not consider the actions of the Republic Fleet to be reflective of the citizenry of that nation, but I do consider it to be a dire portent of what might come of a government that leads with the heart, not the head.


While unlike some of my kinsmen, I have no desire to see the friendship between the Federation and Republic dissolve... it is an unfortunate fact that in the grand scheme of things, whether a state's madness is restricted to the ruling body or is universal can rapidly become irrelevant. There are many cases in history where the only methods of keeping a check on psychotic leaders ultimately cause the common people to suffer.

Let us all pray that such a case does not come to pass here.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#38 - 2013-05-29 11:12:49 UTC
I'd rather never hear of the man again, to be honest; the Federation can have him. Many - though hardly all, of course - of my Tribe-siblings feel the same way.

Some of us want very, very badly to just pick up our pieces and get on with life. That is very difficult to do, when more things keep getting broken into yet more pieces.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#39 - 2013-05-29 17:40:16 UTC
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Hmh, Republic is acting like a spoiled brat.

Lashing out violently when people don't do things their way. As they cry foul of noone respecting their ways and customs they **** all over other peoples customs and traditions with no regard to anything but their own. What selfish nation they are. They should really get their head out of their arses and see that they are nothing but failed cultural imperialists.


I have missed your style of blunt and tactless form of getting to the point Vince.

Even I wouldn't have put it so harshly yet accurately myself.

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Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-05-29 19:21:15 UTC
I read a lot of people asking avidly to kill or lynch the man, or the worse things to happen to him, and yet I have also read in other various threads here people pointing out at the public execution of Eturrer and how abominable it was.

Doesn't it sound a bit like double standards ?
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