EVE General Discussion

Hello, fellow eve recruiters, members, and those who talk as another person on their alt. I feel it is necessary to bring up the ever present issue of corp awoxers, aka the corp killer. Whether they are spies, pirates, mercs, or trolls, at one time or another you have had to deal with them. I myself have dealt with them in the past. Although I acknowledge eve in all its glory celebrating the ability to do such things. I would like to encourage you to use services already at your disposal to make it ever present who these players are. Perhaps there are some who do not wish for it to be easier to be marked as a corp killer. Surely there are others who have no wants or desires to put up with you.

For those who do not know how it works. A player requests acceptance into your corporation. After you receive them, they then attack their fellow corp mates taking as many kill board points as they can get. Now most corps already are smart about this. They may sit in belt cloaked waiting to see how a new member will respond. Or kill them as a right of hazing or initiation themselves. Most assuredly there is a plethora of ways to avoid recruiting an awoxer.

1. Only accept players with a full API key. This will allow you to see their kill board, mail, and other history that may help steer you away from such players. And yes API is safe. For those saying otherwise you are hiding something, why is your own business.

2. Use common sense, a quick look at corp history will show the player for who they are most of the time. They often lack the patience to wait more then a week between corps. A long history is bad, sorry to those who have one for legit reasons. You are getting the short end of the stick.

3. Have security and a back up plan. Make sure you accept people during times that you can handle such a situation. If you can not stop the awoxer, shut the corp down for a day or pay someone to take care of them for you. This is a last resort ditch.

An awoxer wants to accomplish a few different goals. Perhaps more than one, sometimes just one. Often they want a medal awarded to them before they leave willingly. Sometimes it is a ransom of isk. Commonly they are spies and are trying to destroy the corp from the inside out.

The reason awoxers are a problem lies with game mechanics. A player can not be kicked while flying in space. To remedy this you have to go one of five routes.

1. Pod them in space, kick when they clone.
2. Wait until the next downtime. So long as you get on before they do, you can kick them while they are logged off in space.
3. Rarely a GM will intervene, from what I hear it is more on the side of never.
4. Meet their demands and hope they are satisfied.
5. Disband your corp, you lose.

A simple and effective method to leave a pilot black listed is to post on http://evewho.com/. Posting a screen shot will help increase validity of players such as Maxwell Hekami or SharpNine Sasen. For those who don't want it to be harder to be an awoxer, I'm sorry. For those who hate spending thirty minutes to an hour contacting old corps, checking countless api's, looking for information that isn't there. Use eve who and make it easier for everyone else.

This system is just like any system in other games. A select group wishes to weed out players they find undesirable. wc3blist I think is most notable. No one wanted the afker, leaver, 50 ward buyer, etc, on their team. This isn't a post about crying over awoxers, space junk happens. Simply would like to inform and assist others who wish to play without trolls.

Sincerely, Digital Messiah.

Psychotic Monk is most assuredly a safe recruit to any corp by any standards.

Good post, not whining and very well constructed. It's just a shame that the most common person to be affected by AWOXing is the person who doesn't pay attention to anything outside the client (which is fine, but certainly not optimal to protect against things like this).

Have ceo in station ready to kick them out of the corp.
kill and pod the AWOXER.
INSTANTLY kick them from the corp while they are in station.

You obviously didn't read the mail he sent me or see the screen shot. I can forward it to you for proof that it isn't photoshopped. Idk how his confession of corp killing in an eve mail he sends to me isn't character assassination in and of itself...

You can turn that argument around, you know? If you are recruiting a pilot that's going to **** you over, you have recruited the wrong pilot. If you are just accepting the right people, they can never hurt you....

Or put the more useful way: A corp can be just as deceiving and bad as a pilot you recruit into a corp. If you are joining a corp, you shouldn't trust them blindly either, just as they won't trust you blindly. How am I guaranteed that the corp won't use that information against me? Yes, if they do I joined the wrong corp, but thad insight might come too late.

Or CCP could just fix this incredibly stupid mechanic. Problem solved.

In other words don't be lazy and you can avoid most of the 'bad' recruits.

I think this was stopped because if you were wardecced you could kick the player while they were in space but the corp tag wasn't updated, so if attacked the attacker got concorded even though the target looked valid. There may have been other issues as well, can't remember now.

Andski's words sounds harsh but I'm forced to agree.

I've spent a lot of my time ingame helping startup corps and I automatically send them api keys before joining, but it seems they are rarely checked or any other background checks done.

You can't guarantee 100% safety but you can keep out the obvious awoxers just by checking their employment record, a bit more digging around will catch many of the others.