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Quick 2 questions - PvP - MWD when scrammed
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noromyxo
Corus Aerospace
#1 - 2013-05-28 21:58:03 UTC
returning player, 6 years of inactivity...

When did the change happen that when a player Warp disrupts/ scrambles you, it turns off your Microwarpdrive?
(exact year is good enough, no need to know the name of the expansion/patch/...)

I'm watching kil2's vids on youtube, and he can sometimes MWD when scrammed, vids from 2011.
So question 2: are there some circumstances where it is possible to be pointed and then Mwd ?

I'm confused,
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Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#2 - 2013-05-28 22:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakura Nihil
Several years back, post-Nano Era. It may have actually come in during or slightly after Quantum Rise, as that was when webs dropped to 60%, IIRC.

When you get pointed (warp disruptor on you), you can still MWD. When you get scrammed (warp scrambler on you), no MWD for you. It's somewhat hard to distinguish which one is hitting you from the overview, which is complicated by the fact that dualprop icons (both MWD and AB) looked similar on your screen until a few patches ago.

Case in point, on some of those vids, he might be scrammed and lose MWD, only to kick on his AB and get back up to some semblance of speed. Replay and slow-mo may help here.

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noromyxo
Corus Aerospace
#3 - 2013-05-28 22:17:44 UTC
Thank you very much for the reply! It helped.

I keep (conf)using the terms disruption and scrambling, as they were the same in my old days, 1 or 2 points.
I get it now!
Zippy Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-28 22:33:24 UTC
Also afaik MJD are also blockable by being jammed.

Zip
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-28 22:43:09 UTC
Zippy Aideron wrote:
Also afaik MJD are also blockable by being jammed.

Zip


MJD are like MWD...only affected by a scram.

So a battleship that has a MJD can just leap frog out of a bubble in null-sec by using it.

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Zippy Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-28 23:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Zippy Aideron
J'Poll wrote:
Zippy Aideron wrote:
Also afaik MJD are also blockable by being jammed.

Zip


MJD are like MWD...only affected by a scram.

So a battleship that has a MJD can just leap frog out of a bubble in null-sec by using it.

Ah do you ever sleep lol, and ty for clearing that up. Hmm yeh bubble to no bubble against kiting ships oh lol.

Edit: Just thought, mjd arty maelstrom/rail rokh\megathron/tach abaddon vs vagabond :)
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#7 - 2013-05-29 00:05:25 UTC
noromyxo wrote:
Thank you very much for the reply! It helped.

I keep (conf)using the terms disruption and scrambling, as they were the same in my old days, 1 or 2 points.
I get it now!


A scrambler is a different module, it has two points of warp disruption instead of one, and a correspondingly shorter range... pretty sure since always. I can't help you with when the MWD shutdown was added.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#8 - 2013-05-29 07:24:07 UTC
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#9 - 2013-05-29 08:47:11 UTC
MJD = Micro Jump Drive. It's a battleship module that allows you to instantly jump 100km in whatever direction your ship is pointed it, but it has a spool-up time before it can activate. Bubbles and points will not stop the MJD, only a scram.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#10 - 2013-05-30 08:14:15 UTC
Also be aware that besides higher level modules, some ships have a bonus to disruptor/scram range as well.
Furthermore, Off-Grid-Boosters are said to give bonus here as well (no personal exerience with this, though).

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a maximum ranged warp disrupt can reach out to 40 or even 50 km....

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-30 08:15:45 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Also be aware that besides higher level modules, some ships have a bonus to disruptor/scram range as well.
Furthermore, Off-Grid-Boosters are said to give bonus here as well (no personal exerience with this, though).

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a maximum ranged warp disrupt can reach out to 40 or even 50 km....


Correct.

A Faction point + bonused ship and off grid boosting can make it have a range of 40+ km

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-05-30 12:00:23 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Also be aware that besides higher level modules, some ships have a bonus to disruptor/scram range as well.
Furthermore, Off-Grid-Boosters are said to give bonus here as well (no personal exerience with this, though).

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a maximum ranged warp disrupt can reach out to 40 or even 50 km....


Correct.

A Faction point + bonused ship and off grid boosting can make it have a range of 40+ km


Much much much further then that mate..

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-30 12:03:15 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Also be aware that besides higher level modules, some ships have a bonus to disruptor/scram range as well.
Furthermore, Off-Grid-Boosters are said to give bonus here as well (no personal exerience with this, though).

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a maximum ranged warp disrupt can reach out to 40 or even 50 km....


Correct.

A Faction point + bonused ship and off grid boosting can make it have a range of 40+ km


You'll want to especially watch out for a Lachesis or Arazu, both of which have skill bonuses to disruptor/scram range, and Lokis with Interdiction Maneuver skirmish gang links - although when the Command Ship rebalance goes through, strategic cruisers' gang link bonuses will get cut by sixty percent, and more ships will be bonused for skirmish links...

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2013-05-31 02:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
J'Poll wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Also be aware that besides higher level modules, some ships have a bonus to disruptor/scram range as well.
Furthermore, Off-Grid-Boosters are said to give bonus here as well (no personal exerience with this, though).

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a maximum ranged warp disrupt can reach out to 40 or even 50 km....


Correct.

A Faction point + bonused ship and off grid boosting can make it have a range of 40+ km


Arazu/Lach can point out past 100km. I think their Scrams may only reach that 40km mark though...

Yep, 40.3km scram with heat and Loki links.


[EDIT]
Well, 48.4km Scram, and only on the Arazu (Grid Issues). But that's a very, very specialized Arazu fit.

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