Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They need a bit of balancing, and HACs need a buff to bring them closer, but they don't need that much of a nerf. What happened in 1-S was defeat in detail and some hero class bombing.

As much as I hate to agree with a goon, this is true. I think that what should be done is making HACs at least their equals in the AB cruiser niche, and some general tweaks to bring them all into line because I think the Tengu is a little better than the others at the moment.

How would you nerf it without removing it entirely?

Let you warp out bubbles but stopping you if you pass one.

and a waste of time if coded. Nullify known to be covert fit as well. I have seen some winning campers throw up bubbles with no decloak can or ship in them. Intto the bubble my cloaked bomber was dragged. And flew out of it to hit the gate and on my merry way. Nothing to break cloak (best they did was put a ship on a gate to gate path to bubble but too far out to break cloak....I bounced off celestials to basically sneak in behind them).



of course this pick on nullify t3 raises a point I have with most nerf t3 threads, which t3 setup needs to be nerfed? All t3's have the "op" setups. they also have the what can be rather meh setups. How do you fix the op setups not making the crap setups even crappier?


Are blengu's blotting out the sun to stir up terror across new eden. Nope....So how do you "fix" ham/hml tengu not breaking the hybrid version which is not apparently op (as it be run more if so). Answer isn't the offensive subsystem, A few other subsystems carefully chosen make 100mn hml tengu the fun ride it can be.

This should have been tabled for oddessey and frankly is much more important than tiericide or navy BC's.

T3s need a gigantic HP nerf. They are supposed to be a versitile combination of HAC and recon, not better than both as they are currently, even though the recon bonuses aren't as strong, the available tank more than makes up for it.

T3's should have LESS tank than a HAC, HAC's are specialised T2 heavy tanked medium dps cruisers, T3s are versatile ships for people with low skill points.

They are so overpowered it's stupid. HACS need a slight buff and T3's need a giant HP nerf, like 50%.

First it's not 3 days, don't even know where you got that crap out but certainly not by experience.

Too many T3 fielded? -and what is your serious method or what tangible arguments do you have to state this?

No T3 don't need nerfs, if something after frigates/cruisers and BC's rebalance, after T2 ships rebalance, T3's will need buffs and some of them more than others.
If something it's the Command Sub that needs a huge nerf stick or changed for another role sub.

If you can't fly those because of skills, train for them.

If your alliance want to field T3's when they can't already decently reimburse you a full loss of a simple BC or T2 ship just change before they ask you to fly T3's.
Whatever space they're chest beating in they will loose it sooner than later and T3's have nothing to do with it.

Well, personaly i guess that penalty (lowering skill level after defeat) must removed in future. As ccp allready exposed, they plans to rebalance entire t3 stuff. According to the plans of comand ships and t3 comand system rebalance t2 ship will be more powerfull, but only in thier limited role. Is this can be named as nerf of t3s? I don't think so. This is their place according to their skill training time. To counterbalance that changes penalty removal needed.
After rebalance of existing t2 ships is over and developers will create more t2 ships (i looking forward for at least two new pvp t2 battleships for each race) new t3 frigates and batleships must be created, without penalty offcorse

And no one will bother using them after that... so its not really a great result for the game.

There are some changes and while I'm not a big fan of proposing them they are things that probably should happen i.e. deimos and prot damage needs switching around a full gun, 2x T2 mag stab + 5x medium drone deimos does 811dps and the prot in similiar configuration does 910. Won't be a popular change but its a good example of where the T3/HAC imbalance lies without indiscriminately putting them down like a rabid dog in some kind of senseless nerfing frenzy.

Swinging a giant nerf bat at T3s does no one any favors in the long run.

I agree that Tech3 tank is OP the problem comes in the base resistance they have is better than T2 which is plain wrong but since they want them to be on the same line as navy than their resists should end up as basic T1 resists.
And of course rigs and the subs bonuses don't help. all those HP bonuses.. aswell as more resits like they need them.
They need to make subs cheap so they can swap them easily (remove rigs to allow for armour and shield swapping) without having to pay 20mil per sub and 80mil on some.. and the cost of rigs.
if they keep the cost down to 150mil ish than they should be viable with navy tank and more versatility.

HACS aren't meant to be tanky they have HICs for that and battlecruisers for tanky brawling.
HACS should and probably will become T2 attack cruisers with a suitable mwd bonus to keep their sig down lower than a battleship i would expect something like a 75% bonus much like interceptors along with reduced sig radius on the ships themselves.