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So I had to kill some guys, and now I feel weird about it.

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Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#1 - 2013-05-28 12:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kim Ji-Young
I've been trying to get along as a capsuleer doing nice things in the galaxy for people, because that's what I'm all about these days. No "supporting the war effort" for me, no siree, I've just been flying around and helping people when I can, and also trying to get people to buy my excellent recipes so I can survive in space day by day. PIE can attest to this as some of them have really helped me out with finding the right path to walk on, there are such nice people in that organisation I swear.

Because I was wanting a change from catering though, I thought I'd accept some jobs from some guy who needed some mining done. I heard it could lead me to a better reputation with the Empire that I am a part of and I love, so why not, right? It was all very benevolent stuff. "Mine these rocks here because they're radioactive and they're preventing us from salvaging" - okay, I can do that. "Mine these other rocks because I want to do some experiments with the minerals" - sure no problem. All was well, and exactly the sort of thing you'd expect from a righteous Amarr agency.

So anyway, after a few jobs like this then he passes my name onto some other guy who tells me he has a very important mission that could make the Amarr Empire look upon me more favourably. Great, I thought. So he sends me out to get a slave of his who took off somewhere, which I thought was a bit weird because that didn't have anything to do with mining, or catering, which are really the only two things I can kind of do at the moment, and I did make that very clear to the guy from before. I didn't mind going and getting a slave though, how hard can it be - I thought he was probably just lost. After all, space is kind of big and if you were a slave who couldn't fly a ship it'd be easy to misplace yourself. When you think about it, we're all one wrong drunken turn in a cargo bay away from waking up planetside in JIta on a park bench wearing nothing but an overcoat stuffed with ISK and not remembering how we got there. It just seemed like a simple courier job, and I can do those, it's easy enough to get from A to B, right? I didn't even have to go to any lowsec systems.

So I went out to where the slave was, which actually wasn't far, and damned if I didn't straight away get attacked by all these crazy people trying to kill me. I didn't know what the big deal was but it was clearly a case of them or me because they had that scrambler thingy on my ship, so I did what I had to do and I shot them all. None of them were capsuleers so they're all dead now. I don't know how you people do it all the time - I had to look away and try to think happy thoughts. It was difficult. Then to make things worse the slave's boyfriend or whatever turned up in some other ship and started raving on about something to do with love or what - I must confess that I wasn't really listening to a single word because he was shooting me at the same time, which is really not a good way to get people to listen because the lasers hitting my shields were kind of loud, they vibrate the whole ship and stuff, and when that missile hit my ship it really freaked me out, it shook the whole pod around and I was screaming and losing it. So I had to kill him too. I felt bad about it, I think that if maybe he had calmed down a bit and taken his hand off the lasers for maybe ten seconds we could have maybe worked something out. Some people are so disagreeable. It's a good thing that my drones don't panic nearly as much as I do or I probably wouldn't be writing this.

So I got the slave back, so the guy who sent me on the job was happy because he got his property back, and the Empire now probably loves me something like 0.37% more, but I don't feel too good about it. If I knew exactly what was involved I wouldn't have taken the job, but I thought it was a simple courier mission, not a killing dozens of dudes sort of thing. Although I know that I'm not really to blame, I still feel bad anyway. Since many of you people here are crazy murderers who kill hundreds of guys before breakfast I just thought I'd ask you - how do you sleep at night? I don't mean that in a rhetorical "trying to guilt trip you" sort of way, I'm serious because I'm not sure if I'll sleep tonight myself. Tomorrow I have to get up and go to work making spicy fish sauce and it's going to be weird smiling at customers and knowing that the day before I exploded a bunch of guys. Any tips that you more experienced pilots have for dealing with the psychological fallout of turning into a mass murderer overnight, I'd really appreciate that, because I figure it's territory familiar to most of you and surely you coped somehow. You can't ALL be morally vacuous and repugnant sociopaths, I'm sure some of you needed a coping mechanism. So anyway, please share, thank you.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-05-28 12:35:15 UTC
I dance.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#3 - 2013-05-28 12:42:46 UTC
Halete wrote:
I dance.


I see you're still going for the whole "being creepy" thing. How's that working out for you. Just fine I suspect.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-05-28 12:47:23 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:

I see you're still going for the whole "being creepy" thing. How's that working out for you. Just fine I suspect.


There is nothing creepy about it. It keeps me in peak emotional and physical condition.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#5 - 2013-05-28 12:50:22 UTC
Halete wrote:
Kim Ji-Young wrote:

I see you're still going for the whole "being creepy" thing. How's that working out for you. Just fine I suspect.


There is nothing creepy about it. It keeps me in peak emotional and physical condition.


Okay, I take your word for it. Glad it's working out for you.

Now let's hear from someone a little less sociopathic in 3... 2... 1...
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-05-28 12:50:33 UTC
Welcome to the world of the Capsuleer
I would suggest, if the thought of killing bothers you, you have a word with a chaplain or something like that, or failing that, send me an evemail and I'll put you in touch with some people I know. Alternatively you could do what I did and still do sometimes which is drink yourself stupid for a while, that helps quite a bit.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#7 - 2013-05-28 12:53:31 UTC
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Welcome to the world of the Capsuleer
I would suggest, if the thought of killing bothers you, you have a word with a chaplain or something like that, or failing that, send me an evemail and I'll put you in touch with some people I know. Alternatively you could do what I did and still do sometimes which is drink yourself stupid for a while, that helps quite a bit.


Good suggestions thank you.
Vinh Trahn
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#8 - 2013-05-28 12:59:33 UTC
Like a tree in the wind you must bend, if you don't you will break.

If you break, it won't be pretty.

For me meditation has worked, talks with a shaman and with friends. It is not always easy, and it shouldn't be.

Fear not this night. You will not go astray. Though shadows fall still the stars find their way.

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#9 - 2013-05-28 13:04:28 UTC
Vinh Trahn wrote:
Like a tree in the wind you must bend, if you don't you will break.

If you break, it won't be pretty.

For me meditation has worked, talks with a shaman and with friends. It is not always easy, and it shouldn't be.


Rather than bending or breaking, can't I just get the wind to get lost?

Also what's a shaman.
Bai'xao Meiyi
#10 - 2013-05-28 13:08:01 UTC
While I have been a murderer most of my life, I never started out like this. I was groomed to be one, so I'll tell you what I was told.

The most important steps, is depersonalizing your enemy. Think of them as other, less then, inhuman. Afew of my Sani Sabik brothers and sisters often focus on the idea of their enemy being clearly weaker then they, meaning they had every right to take the life according to many sect within the religion. I assume, however that you're a red blooded imperial woman.

They were trying to destroy your glorious empire, they wanted to ruin the righteous institution of salvation through slavery. They are away from the light of god, they are unable to understand, they're fools, they're rats, cockroaches et cetera.

The next important step is to rationalize what you've done.

'It was them or me, if I hadn't of done it they'd have hurt others, they were bad people, they were criminals' You get the picture.

The third is changing how you speak and think about it. You'd be surprised how much more comfortable you'll feel once you do away with the word 'killing' for example, rather then saying 'I murdered that man' you could say 'I dropped/bagged/ganked/destroy/engaged them' it makes it all much more savory for you.


That is until the act becomes as easy thinking to you, then these things start to be needed less and less. These days I hardly ask twice before I kill my enemies. It is my nature, given to me by God and the world I was brought into.
Vinh Trahn
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#11 - 2013-05-28 13:09:32 UTC
You'll never really get rid of the wind. Sure there are those who claim they feel no remorse. In the end we all have to live with ourselves.

As for your second question I am not sure if you are jesting. Seeing your earlier words here on the IGS I assume you posses a degree of naivety not often seen in capsuleers.

To keep the answer as simple as possible, a shaman is a spiritual leader.

Fear not this night. You will not go astray. Though shadows fall still the stars find their way.

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#12 - 2013-05-28 13:25:31 UTC
Bai'xao Meiyi wrote:
While I have been a murderer most of my life, I never started out like this. I was groomed to be one, so I'll tell you what I was told.

The most important steps, is depersonalizing your enemy. Think of them as other, less then, inhuman. Afew of my Sani Sabik brothers and sisters often focus on the idea of their enemy being clearly weaker then they, meaning they had every right to take the life according to many sect within the religion. I assume, however that you're a red blooded imperial woman.

They were trying to destroy your glorious empire, they wanted to ruin the righteous institution of salvation through slavery. They are away from the light of god, they are unable to understand, they're fools, they're rats, cockroaches et cetera.

The next important step is to rationalize what you've done.

'It was them or me, if I hadn't of done it they'd have hurt others, they were bad people, they were criminals' You get the picture.

The third is changing how you speak and think about it. You'd be surprised how much more comfortable you'll feel once you do away with the word 'killing' for example, rather then saying 'I murdered that man' you could say 'I dropped/bagged/ganked/destroy/engaged them' it makes it all much more savory for you.


That is until the act becomes as easy thinking to you, then these things start to be needed less and less. These days I hardly ask twice before I kill my enemies. It is my nature, given to me by God and the world I was brought into.


I'm kind of already depersonalising them, because I know they're idiots. After all they attacked my totally peaceful vessel without any provocation from me, I wasn't intending to shoot anybody. That covers the second suggestion too, because I know I acted rationally, or as rationally as once can in that situation. It doesn't make me feel any better about it though. I'm not so sure about that third suggestion and how that works but I'll keep it in mind. I don't know if any of it will help, I think you're a bit further along the chain than I am when it comes to this.

Vinh Trahn wrote:

As for your second question I am not sure if you are jesting. Seeing your earlier words here on the IGS I assume you posses a degree of naivety not often seen in capsuleers.

To keep the answer as simple as possible, a shaman is a spiritual leader.


Okay, like a minister or something. Thanks for clearing that up.
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#13 - 2013-05-28 13:26:35 UTC
The world is a hostile place. Especially when travelling among the stars. When met with such hostality, it matters little for the outcome of the meeting what your own intentions are. But keep up the good intentions for your own sake.

One cannot remove themselves from the world when trying to exist.

CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#14 - 2013-05-28 13:28:33 UTC
Myyona wrote:
The world is a hostile place. Especially when travelling among the stars. When met with such hostality, it matters little for the outcome of the meeting what your own intentions are. But keep up the good intentions for your own sake.

One cannot remove themselves from the world when trying to exist.


I don't want to remove myself from the whole world, just the bits I don't like.

Thanks for the advice.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#15 - 2013-05-28 13:42:37 UTC
"I had to kill?" If there is one thing a capsuleer need never do is kill. A baseliner may need to use deadly force in defense of his or her own life. But as a clone, we need not kill. It is a myth that the life of a capsuleer requires violence. Unfortunately, you will find great understanding from the majority of those who comment here. They will tell you to "get used to it;" "its part of the job." Let me be a dissenting voice. Never, never get used to killing. Whoever these baseliners were, you killed them. They have no clones to reconstitute. They are dead. Was it worth the standing increase? You make that call.

Though I have never fired a weapon, I have lost ship crews due to my own inexperience and poor judgment. They died and I am responsible for that. May I never forget that or be comfortable with that. Human life is not a trifle.

Bottom line: You did not have to kill; you chose to kill. DON'T get used to it. Let it bother you and keep on letting it bother you. Don't become a wholesale killer like so many capsuleers. Personally, I hope this experience makes a wreck of you enough that you are never the same and possibly, never kill again.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-28 13:53:28 UTC
It's a big dark old cluster out there kid.

Staying away from everyone who wants to do things to or with you is not a luxury you can generally maintain unless you choose to remain in your quarters.

Consider this though. You have been forced into conflict with another, and while that conflict may have been against your wishes, you emerged victorious, and possibly stronger because of it.
Beyond all that though, you still question whether it was something you could have avoided.

Where most capsuleers would have simply notched up another baseliner crew as 'dead enemies' you have chosen introspection and analysis.

Perhaps you read too heavily into the effects of your actions, so perhaps you should consider that it was their choice to attack your ship, knowing that you were a capsuleer and that you therefore outclassed their vessels. At that point, they have made their choice, and they compounded this choice by attempting to disable your warp systems.

Do i agree with the actions you took? well.. taken out of their context, you did the right thing, defending your vessel and crew against a badly thought out assault.

Taken in context, it concerns slavery, so I will not comment further.

Seven Tribes.
One Matari People.
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#17 - 2013-05-28 13:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Sofia Roseburn
There's a saying in Amarrian: praemonitus praemunitus. It translates as forewarned is forearmed, and whilst it's usage is steeped in military operations it's application in day to day life is really rather appropriate.

The saying is something for you to consider I think. The more you know about any given situation, be it commercial or military, the better you can react if the situation goes awry. If you can't handle the emotions that come with killing someone, egger or not, then you need to accept the fact that you cannot undo what you did and control the situation in the future or softclone the memories out of your head. Note: the latter does require some degree of prior planning.

Whilst I can't help you with your emotional fallout regarding the situation, I would recommend steeling yourself for the future. It is very hard to survive in the void without shooting someone at some point in time. The better prepared you are to deal with it the better.
Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#18 - 2013-05-28 14:00:48 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
"I had to kill?" If there is one thing a capsuleer need never do is kill. A baseliner may need to use deadly force in defense of his or her own life. But as a clone, we need not kill. It is a myth that the life of a capsuleer requires violence. Unfortunately, you will find great understanding from the majority of those who comment here. They will tell you to "get used to it;" "its part of the job." Let me be a dissenting voice. Never, never get used to killing. Whoever these baseliners were, you killed them. They have no clones to reconstitute. They are dead. Was it worth the standing increase? You make that call.

Though I have never fired a weapon, I have lost ship crews due to my own inexperience and poor judgment. They died and I am responsible for that. May I never forget that or be comfortable with that. Human life is not a trifle.

Bottom line: You did not have to kill; you chose to kill. DON'T get used to it. Let it bother you and keep on letting it bother you. Don't become a wholesale killer like so many capsuleers. Personally, I hope this experience makes a wreck of you enough that you are never the same and possibly, never kill again.


On the one hand I have no intentions of becoming a wholesale killer and if I never found myself to be in a position to kill again that would be fine with me. On the other hand I'd like to have enough mental fortitude to be able to say to myself that if I were in a crisis situation and I had to kill, then I could do it if I had to without too much mental fallout. I think being desensitised is good as long as you don't use it as an excuse to start glassing planets at the flip of a coin. I'd rather be able to just shrug it off if it came down to it again. As it is I'm going to bed now and it's going to be a strange night.

The other thing is, my clone doesn't work properly right now, apparently. The people working on it aren't sure what's wrong but they've given me strict instructions not to "do a Yanaka" which is what they're convinced will happen if I die. So yeah, it's pretty much me or them right now. Also my ships mostly have crews and those crews also are really into the whole living breathing thing and not too keen to give up on pursuing that in the near future.
Bai'xao Meiyi
#19 - 2013-05-28 14:03:57 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
"I had to kill?"

Though I have never fired a weapon, I have lost ship crews due to my own inexperience and poor judgment. They died and I am responsible for that. May I never forget that or be comfortable with that. Human life is not a trifle.


Maybe they would have lived if you'd have bothered to fight back, you incompetent, sentimental, weakling.
Liberty Roach
October Country
#20 - 2013-05-28 14:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Liberty Roach
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Any tips that you more experienced pilots have for dealing with the psychological fallout of turning into a mass murderer overnight, I'd really appreciate that, because I figure it's territory familiar to most of you and surely you coped somehow. You can't ALL be morally vacuous and repugnant sociopaths, I'm sure some of you needed a coping mechanism. So anyway, please share, thank you.

You's got the right to defend yourself, just keep remembering that. It's okay to feel shook-up after, too. They tried to stripe up your ship, isn't it?

So here's what I think you should do. You should go find a good friend, or maybe just someone you fancy a little bit, have a bit of wine together, maybe watch a holo or a kendu game or something like that. Get some hugs, maybe a shag. Just to get back to ground a bit, see?


Kim Ji-Young wrote:
When you think about it, we're all one wrong drunken turn in a cargo bay away from waking up planetside in JIta on a park bench wearing nothing but an overcoat stuffed with ISK and not remembering how we got there.

You and I, we needs to start drinking together. You sound way more fun to hang out with than any of my regular mates.
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