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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-23 04:34:54 UTC
what do you guys think is a good ECM/widow build for pvp groups?
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-23 05:30:36 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
what do you guys think is a good ECM/widow build for pvp groups?



will the group have logi support? If so then it be rainbow and such mids with lows mostly mods/rigs to boost jamming


If no logi support, you probably want the usual scorpion tank slapped on in lows. 2 1600 Plates, EANM, DCU II. Maybe an armour rig or 2 to be safe.

Cruise or torps in the highs a personal preference. I'd say with cruise buff incoming jsut slap them in now to work out how it would be used post patch. Getting better damage soon and hits stuff better. Unless running a few rapiers and you can coordinate with them well....your widow is not having the paint to use torps well. Well that and to me if crap happens you'd want the widow not so close to enemies.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-23 05:46:48 UTC
no logi support
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#4 - 2013-05-23 07:06:27 UTC
Best Widow fit:

[Widow, PvP]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

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[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Covert Jump Portal Generator I
Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization II
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-23 12:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
You got the portal on it, you have done better than some who post a super serious blops fit lol. Nothing I like seeing more than a blops no portal. Especially widow. It's a 600 mil scorpion otherwise.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#6 - 2013-05-23 12:49:07 UTC
DG jams, a micro jump drive, faction cloak, and some form of situational awareness required.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-23 19:02:16 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
what do you guys think is a good ECM/widow build for pvp groups?



Plated, tons of ECM and remote for your buddies, then all you're left is to pray the thing ends fast so you can warp off.

The best fitting one still being cargo expanders/cargohold rigs shield extenders just because lol and bridge your buddies/get safe asap.

Widow is the worst of all BO's, mine is not even close to be as good as Sin to transport stuff and at least Sin does some decent dmg, well has a puking design but at least is worth the training for such cargo ability.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-05-23 20:01:03 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
DG jams, a micro jump drive, faction cloak, and some form of situational awareness required.


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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-23 22:53:01 UTC
I thought the cargo hold widow was a joke. Now I'm getting impression it's half serious.mand the comment about widow being worst bops. Can u guys discuss why the widow is being held in such low regard. Why other bops are better.
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2013-05-24 00:34:04 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I thought the cargo hold widow was a joke. Now I'm getting impression it's half serious.mand the comment about widow being worst bops. Can u guys discuss why the widow is being held in such low regard. Why other bops are better.


http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?2953-PVP-Widow

Perhaps a bit outdated on some things, but I doubt you'll read it, and just post more questions in 30 other threads about it instead.

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Rengerel en Distel
#11 - 2013-05-24 00:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rengerel en Distel
edit: webserver double post

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-24 00:40:33 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I thought the cargo hold widow was a joke. Now I'm getting impression it's half serious.mand the comment about widow being worst bops. Can u guys discuss why the widow is being held in such low regard. Why other bops are better.




Most other blops have combat bonuses. Redeemer for example...can bridge and shoot stuff at the same time. Widows bonus is ecm. Ideally if supporting a gang you'd be bringing falcons for this roie however.


If you try to get the widow shooty, you are gimping something hard (tank, dps or ecm). Especially solo. Basically its just a pita to fit well to do anything except jam.



The only viable versatile alternative I have seen are the ultra pimp bling fits. If you run deadspace tank with officer multispec ecm mods (the officer multipsec ecm mods are just a few points shy of a full blown racial ecm) like some crews in the past have the widow can be nice. Ofc you have lots of isk in mods to get it that way. I'll save the sticker shock of the officer ecm mods for you to see for yourself next time in jita. You'd want about 3 of them.


It is a nice looking ship though. Give it that. I kept mine around mostly because I like the looks of it on this empire break I am on. Can't pve worth a damn sadly.....well besides recon mission number 3 (which is jsut haul ass through the toxic space lol).
Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-24 12:38:00 UTC
Would someone care to drop the fit alá Rook where you have few (presumably Estamel's) multispectral jammers and rest goes on tank + gank? According to that older Failheap Vivicide used such fit.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-24 19:29:49 UTC
Janna Windforce wrote:
Would someone care to drop the fit alá Rook where you have few (presumably Estamel's) multispectral jammers and rest goes on tank + gank? According to that older Failheap Vivicide used such fit.



I'd advice you to just fit 4 T2 racial remote and put some isk on it's tank.

Anyway if you really intend to engage more than one/two targets with your Widow your risk of loosing it is growing exponentially.

As someone above just said you have no guns bonus, at best with top skills and implants you're theoretically dealing about 400dps with drones on immobile battleship size targets, a couple assault rigs landing on grid with a dictor and you either manage to GTFO ASAP or you're 95% already dead.

To make it short, if you want to jam crap for your buddies pick a Falcon instead, if you want to dps take your Manticore and you'll deal as much dps on top of pointing stuff.
If you really want a not that bad widow fit it with cargo expanders and cargohold rigs to bridge your friends.

But if you really need to loose isk just fit it for dps/jam and jump with, best way to learn how bad it is.

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Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-27 06:06:54 UTC
Thanks Sergeant! Does Panther suffer from same not-so-much-added-value problem like Widow does?
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-05-27 07:28:06 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Janna Windforce wrote:
Would someone care to drop the fit alá Rook where you have few (presumably Estamel's) multispectral jammers and rest goes on tank + gank? According to that older Failheap Vivicide used such fit.



I'd advice you to just fit 4 T2 racial remote and put some isk on it's tank.

Anyway if you really intend to engage more than one/two targets with your Widow your risk of loosing it is growing exponentially.

As someone above just said you have no guns bonus, at best with top skills and implants you're theoretically dealing about 400dps with drones on immobile battleship size targets, a couple assault rigs landing on grid with a dictor and you either manage to GTFO ASAP or you're 95% already dead.

To make it short, if you want to jam crap for your buddies pick a Falcon instead, if you want to dps take your Manticore and you'll deal as much dps on top of pointing stuff.
If you really want a not that bad widow fit it with cargo expanders and cargohold rigs to bridge your friends.

But if you really need to loose isk just fit it for dps/jam and jump with, best way to learn how bad it is.



Confirming that only bridging Black Ops are good Black Ops.


also they are so bad, no one uses them these daysRoll

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Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#17 - 2013-05-28 02:54:04 UTC
LOL. Opening poster first posted in Warfare & Tactics asking for advice on how a Widow should be used in PVP, and the consistent answer he got was "Use it to bridge only"

He reposts basically the same question in Ships & Modules, and gets the same answer.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-28 06:26:09 UTC
The Widow can't do anything that a Falcon can't do as a gang support boat. My current falcon setup is rainbow jammers + small tank with small armor reps, a covert cyno and the cloak in the highs.

Stop trying to polish this turd.
NeoTheo
Dark Materials
Caldari Alliance
#19 - 2013-05-28 14:39:22 UTC

So hang on ive not played in while and am only just getting back in to the game; but its actaully acurate to say that it DOES have a damage bonus, just not a very good one. (more like a mini raven)? or did they remove that and not update the Wiki whilst i was away?

Just for Clarity, (what most people have said here is acturate) however its not the best BO by a long shot. :-)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-28 16:23:41 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Janna Windforce wrote:
Would someone care to drop the fit alá Rook where you have few (presumably Estamel's) multispectral jammers and rest goes on tank + gank? According to that older Failheap Vivicide used such fit.



I'd advice you to just fit 4 T2 racial remote and put some isk on it's tank.

Anyway if you really intend to engage more than one/two targets with your Widow your risk of loosing it is growing exponentially.

As someone above just said you have no guns bonus, at best with top skills and implants you're theoretically dealing about 400dps with drones on immobile battleship size targets, a couple assault rigs landing on grid with a dictor and you either manage to GTFO ASAP or you're 95% already dead.

To make it short, if you want to jam crap for your buddies pick a Falcon instead, if you want to dps take your Manticore and you'll deal as much dps on top of pointing stuff.
If you really want a not that bad widow fit it with cargo expanders and cargohold rigs to bridge your friends.

But if you really need to loose isk just fit it for dps/jam and jump with, best way to learn how bad it is.



Confirming that only bridging Black Ops are good Black Ops.


also they are so bad, no one uses them these daysRoll




LOL some are not that bad, I'd even say Sin after introduction of Drone modules and hybrids changes is probably the one with highest theoretical applicable dmg BLOPS

Panther is a very high skill requirements BLOP but when you do have those skills has a good tank and awesome dps, Redeemer with some pimp gets the crap out of most things faster I can say it, not the top but good dps on top of generous fittings and slots layout.

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