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WTF OMG SO MANY OFF GRID BOOSTAS

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#1 - 2013-05-27 17:45:23 UTC
You know. Sometimes I hear from people that off grid boosting is a problem in Minmatar/Amarr factional warfare. but! I just went into a system with no less than 17 Loki, legion and Tengu off grid boosters. ROFL


[17:36:43] Major Killz > Gang links all up in local

[17:36:57] Major Killz > is like half of local OGB alts?

[17:36:58] Inora Aknaria > dont leave home without them

[17:37:35] Amun Khonsu > what kind of retards run gang links?


CRAZY!

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

Apelacja
Sad Najwyzszy
#2 - 2013-05-27 19:34:20 UTC
then it was ls nobody fly in ls without loki sry m8
GreenSeed
#3 - 2013-05-27 20:18:04 UTC
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-05-27 20:26:08 UTC
Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#5 - 2013-05-27 20:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.


CCP seems to disagree - they found hisec whining about farmers important enough to remove tech 3's from ded 3 and 4's (which halves the number of plexes you can access using tech 3's in lowsec too, let's just hope they didn't screw up the unrated plexes too), but changing a database number from 5 to 2 (aka. nerfing tech 3 as ogb) requires sooooo many valuable dev's manhours What?.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#6 - 2013-05-27 21:01:45 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.


Sadly, CCP will never get rid of OGB. Just got to deal with it.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-05-27 21:12:08 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.


Sadly, CCP will never get rid of OGB. Just got to deal with it.

This.
OGB is CCP's stealth 'Gold Ammo'/'Pay To Win' option.

Pay for one account, and you may/may not get fair fights when you play.
Pay for two accounts and you can fight with an unfair advantage and not even have to show others on your killboard.

It's not going anywhere!

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#8 - 2013-05-27 21:15:18 UTC
Define fair. Not seen one definition that has a place in eve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YTro3hBqdc - if i wasnt boosted would that have been a fair fight?
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-27 22:11:41 UTC
Was it in Kourm?
lol.

Ogb is completely gamebreaking sh....
I also gave up solo because of ogb monkeys everywhere.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Agustice Arterius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-27 22:24:44 UTC
I'm actually surprised it was even thought of.

On paper, offgrid boosting has to seem cheap.

Right?
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#11 - 2013-05-27 23:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Define fair. Not seen one definition that has a place in eve


+1 agreed eve is moulded on not being fair and harsh

I dont use booster alts myself when im out but know others do and dont mind it. Its a game and everyone has the same opportunity to get a boosting alt if they so wish. Yes its wrong that you may feel the need you have to but there are GF`s out there with others that arnt boosted you just have to look.

In small gang/large warfare ganglinks are sometimes vital otherwise most fights end up a blap fest for a few seconds, boosts prolong these fights for both sides and can level out an uneven fight.

As for boosts being ongrid ever called a damnation primary in a small scale bc fight? it sucks if they have logi and know what there doing you aint breaking it lol (*cough crosi*)
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#12 - 2013-05-27 23:52:37 UTC
Thanks for proving the point, Alucard.

Bring the boosts on-grid. It isn't the end of EVE as we know it. People will adapt.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#13 - 2013-05-28 00:35:14 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Define fair. Not seen one definition that has a place in eve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YTro3hBqdc - if i wasnt boosted would that have been a fair fight?


Wait! That's it? That is the level of difficulty you're having and your argument for using a off grid booster? I laughed hard and then laugh some more.

You had a 1 versus 1 while his or a random fleet watched for the most part Roll

Here I am thinking about using off grid boosting for serious sh!t while terribubble pilots use them for every one versus one against every other teribubble pilot out there.

With that said.

THERE ARE engagements where a player could not come out of and retain thier ship without an off grid booster. I personally see engagements like that everyday. Most of those if not all of them are engagements best done close range instead of skirmishing. SO! Using active defense setups on ships like a Cyclone, Myrmidon, Gnosis, Rokh, Hyperion, Maelstrom etcetera. Engaging like 5 - 15 cruisers in damage or 3 - 5 battleships in damage or more. Oh! Of course thier's laming people in strategic cruisers all day (been there done that).

But from what I've observed and done myself and told from bros who use off grid booster all the time. 95% of thier engagements are infact 1 v 1. Most of the pilots who use them now dont even engage groups of pilots at once at all or atleast do so rarely.

The REALLY REALLY good pilots do ALOT but most of them will tell you they can engage most gorups of pilots without OGB for the most part except in rare occasions (**** that comes around once or 3 times a day if you're not looking for them). Not to mention most pilots who use offgrid boosters avoid other pilots who use off grid boosters Straight

In anycase. There was no overall point for or against OGB. I just thought finding a system with 17 off grid boosters in it was CRAZY sh!t and yeah. The system was Kourmonen Lol


- killz

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#14 - 2013-05-28 00:44:41 UTC
Luckily boosting will be nerfed across the board rather you're on grid or not. I understand the purpose behind it but the way it was implemented was borderline lazy.

Oderint Dum Metuant

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-05-28 03:03:08 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.


Sadly, CCP will never get rid of OGB. Just got to deal with it.

This.
OGB is CCP's stealth 'Gold Ammo'/'Pay To Win' option.

Pay for one account, and you may/may not get fair fights when you play.
Pay for two accounts and you can fight with an unfair advantage and not even have to show others on your killboard.

It's not going anywhere!


I disagree, Improved gameplay = more subscribers

Removing OGB will make CCP money in the long run.. especially since 95% of people won't unsub their alts.. just re-purpose them for the next lamest thing.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-05-28 03:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Removing OGB will make CCP money in the long run.. especially since 95% of people won't unsub their alts.. just re-purpose them for the next lamest thing.


Bring your own, problem solved.

It makes literally ZERO sense from a business perspective for them to remove OGB, I mean sure, it will appeal to the whining masses; but boosts are used in roles outside of PvP- If you want to stay competitive do what you have to do. It's not like Shadow Cartel doesn't drop Triage in fights against people incapable of dropping Triage; why should people who actually paid for and trained an alt to fill that role have that time taken away from them because you're unwilling to do it?

This is coming from someone without a Leadership alt.
Koj 'Jok
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-05-28 03:37:18 UTC
I'm still pretty new, but it seems to me that Eve is all about risk=reward. If you want to plug a bunch of expensive implants in you will have an advantage over others, but you also have the risk of losing your pod and costing you a bunch of isk. If you want the advantage of a boost, you should have the risk of possibly losing the boosting ship.
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#18 - 2013-05-28 05:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizvig
All off grid alts is paid, this mean soon we see MOAR MOAR MOAR.
But the community does not like them.

So what? Oh, it's so difficult to implement, here. trololo.jpg

Deal with it.
Agustice Arterius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-05-28 05:17:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Agustice Arterius
Xolve wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Removing OGB will make CCP money in the long run.. especially since 95% of people won't unsub their alts.. just re-purpose them for the next lamest thing.


Bring your own, problem solved.

It makes literally ZERO sense from a business perspective for them to remove OGB, I mean sure, it will appeal to the whining masses; but boosts are used in roles outside of PvP- If you want to stay competitive do what you have to do. It's not like Shadow Cartel doesn't drop Triage in fights against people incapable of dropping Triage; why should people who actually paid for and trained an alt to fill that role have that time taken away from them because you're unwilling to do it?

This is coming from someone without a Leadership alt.


Couldn't that same argument have been applied to Learning Skills before they got rid of them? Back when we didn't know if we were going to get refunded skill points.

"Ya it sucks, but we all trained for it, if it bothers you, you should train it up too, EVE is a harsh game, get used to it"?

And just because people spent money training alts for something, it should never be changed when an overly large portion of the community thinks it should?

Seems like an odd stance.

If it was changed to ongrid boosting, wouldn't all the exact same skills apply? Except the person whose paying for that alt might now have to glance at the screen more than once or twice.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-05-28 05:33:14 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Removing OGB will make CCP money in the long run.. especially since 95% of people won't unsub their alts.. just re-purpose them for the next lamest thing.


Bring your own, problem solved.

It makes literally ZERO sense from a business perspective for them to remove OGB, I mean sure, it will appeal to the whining masses; but boosts are used in roles outside of PvP- If you want to stay competitive do what you have to do. It's not like Shadow Cartel doesn't drop Triage in fights against people incapable of dropping Triage; why should people who actually paid for and trained an alt to fill that role have that time taken away from them because you're unwilling to do it?

This is coming from someone without a Leadership alt.



Bringing your own really isn't an option when you're solo roaming unless you are a massive faglord.

Needing to lug around an alt to fight other "solo" pilots on equal footing is HORRIBLE gameplay.. The "Bring your own" argument is ********.

This coming from someone who actually has a maxed out link alt.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

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