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Procurer Investment Fund - 50% profit guaranteed

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Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#21 - 2013-05-27 19:21:15 UTC
Welcome to the MD..

Here we have some of those crazy things called standards.

If your asking for public investment its custom to actually present a business plan, and go through some actual points and presenting your idea..

I will help you out a bit and link you to what we usually use in here.. OFC I am expecting you to totally ignore this and continue on your clueless trolling spree. Regardless here is Hexxx IPO guide, and a small BP tool you can consider.

BP-Launcher

When you ask for other peoples money these are some of the normal ways, otherwise you are merely begging and you should go to Jita local, where you will have more success then with the majority of people frequenting this forum section.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#22 - 2013-05-27 19:45:26 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
not all procurer who blowup are shown on the killboards either, so they make up for that, however if they are not put on the market because investors wait for a better price, then those are not a problem for my plan



What makes you think the unreported kills and unlisted stockpiles have a linked magnitude such that one "makes up" for the other?

What makes you think the unlisted stockpiles are waiting for the same price you are?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-05-27 20:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
RubyPorto wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
not all procurer who blowup are shown on the killboards either, so they make up for that, however if they are not put on the market because investors wait for a better price, then those are not a problem for my plan



What makes you think the unreported kills and unlisted stockpiles have a linked magnitude such that one "makes up" for the other?

What makes you think the unlisted stockpiles are waiting for the same price you are?


you may as well know that the prepatch production price of the procurer was 2 million, therefore selling those procurer now would lead to a 400% profit, I hardly believe people would wait much longer to cash in right away, as you can see on the chart anyway, ca. 9 month ago there was a big increas in volume on the market, I believe most of the stock in the hangars got sold there

actually I have proof already from one of the bigger investors that the stock got sold already moths ago, however if people still want to believe there are mystery high amounts of procurer in the hangars altough they could be sold for 400% profit, yea then they need to think that way, I'm not...
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#24 - 2013-05-27 20:29:14 UTC
So, to clarify, you are planning on rectifying the cost across New Eden.
Drythar Starthra
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-27 20:57:06 UTC
Shady business model - Check
No collateral - Check
Belligerent attitude toward any constructive critism - check
Basic 'you know why your wrong, I'm right' attitude - check

I could go on. But the fact of the matter is one of two things;

A: Your not really looking for investors, bored and your trolling like a mad man.

or

B: Your one of those complete idiots who thinks they know it all. And have put forth the worst laid scam plans ever.

NOW -

I'm not bashing you which is against the rules. Nor am I bashing your business plan. So with that in mind. If this is a serious business plan which has many flaws your not going to get much support from anyone, not even the new miner coming out the starter systems with that kind of attitude, the lack of a mutual grounds (collateral) and the defensive mode nonstop. I wish you luck and hope you wise up, listen to the people who have been doing this forever. Though I'm surprised anyone even responds, I think they just like laughs.

My 2 cents.

P.S. Put fourth a business model, offer some collateral and be courteous. --IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME-- :)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-05-27 21:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Drythar Starthra wrote:
Shady business model - Check
No collateral - Check
Belligerent attitude toward any constructive critism - check
Basic 'you know why your wrong, I'm right' attitude - check

I could go on. But the fact of the matter is one of two things;

A: Your not really looking for investors, bored and your trolling like a mad man.

or

B: Your one of those complete idiots who thinks they know it all. And have put forth the worst laid scam plans ever.

NOW -

I'm not bashing you which is against the rules. Nor am I bashing your business plan. So with that in mind. If this is a serious business plan which has many flaws your not going to get much support from anyone, not even the new miner coming out the starter systems with that kind of attitude, the lack of a mutual grounds (collateral) and the defensive mode nonstop. I wish you luck and hope you wise up, listen to the people who have been doing this forever. Though I'm surprised anyone even responds, I think they just like laughs.

My 2 cents.

P.S. Put fourth a business model, offer some collateral and be courteous. --IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME-- :)


insulting post - check
hide future posts - check
Adunh Slavy
#27 - 2013-05-27 21:12:52 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

insulting post - check
hide future posts - check



/snort

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2013-05-27 21:13:33 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
So, to clarify, you are planning on rectifying the cost across New Eden.


I'm just speeding up the process, prices would be at some point normal without me as well...
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-27 22:43:34 UTC
In case you haven't been ridiculed with facts enough: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/aftermath-of-the-mining-barge-changes-price-indices-october-2012/

Quote:
Manufacturing figures for the Procurer are even more dramatic, as its average monthly figure of nearly 2,000 ships was exceeded by 4781% in August and by 9706% in September.


That's close to 300k built in those two months. So even if I did believe your claim that a thousand per month are being destroyed - which I don't - there's a very long time before those stockpiles get dug into. Lol

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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
#30 - 2013-05-27 22:45:19 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm just speeding up the process, prices would be at some point normal without me as well...


I have a couple of thousand procurers you could buy, lets discuss a price that is fair. Considering they will increase in price by 50% ofcourse.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#31 - 2013-05-27 23:54:02 UTC
Two things, OP is probably;

1. Really dumb.

or

2. A terrible scammer.

Meh.. who am I kidding, he's both.... GTFO!
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#32 - 2013-05-28 05:25:49 UTC
Drythar Starthra wrote:

I could go on. But the fact of the matter is one of two things;

A: Your not really looking for investors, bored and your trolling like a mad man.

or

B: Your one of those complete idiots who thinks they know it all. And have put forth the worst laid scam plans ever.

A

Any colour you like.

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-05-28 06:33:18 UTC
while some are telling me I'm dump I'm already buying procurers for 8 million and selling them for 13,99 ...I guess its ok then to be seen as dump in those eyes
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-05-28 06:41:42 UTC
Yuki Kasumi wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm just speeding up the process, prices would be at some point normal without me as well...


I have a couple of thousand procurers you could buy, lets discuss a price that is fair. Considering they will increase in price by 50% ofcourse.


I'm short on cash at the moment because I'm fully invested, however you can (as a test order) contract 10 over to me for 5 million each, as they are anyway worthless to all here its a good price I assume, I buy more depending on how many investors i bring together... if you can not make that price I prefer to buy them on the market
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2013-05-28 06:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Samroski wrote:
Drythar Starthra wrote:

I could go on. But the fact of the matter is one of two things;

A: Your not really looking for investors, bored and your trolling like a mad man.

or

B: Your one of those complete idiots who thinks they know it all. And have put forth the worst laid scam plans ever.

A


its strange to accuse somebody for trolling while you are the only one trolling, its like you can not see what you are doing and just telling the others they are to blame for your own wrongdoings, all of those comments and future comments will be ignored from those characters, because i do not have time for this... however if somebody comes up with some thoughtful opinions I will have a look at those
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-05-28 07:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
mynnna wrote:
In case you haven't been ridiculed with facts enough: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/aftermath-of-the-mining-barge-changes-price-indices-october-2012/

Quote:
Manufacturing figures for the Procurer are even more dramatic, as its average monthly figure of nearly 2,000 ships was exceeded by 4781% in August and by 9706% in September.


That's close to 300k built in those two months. So even if I did believe your claim that a thousand per month are being destroyed - which I don't - there's a very long time before those stockpiles get dug into. Lol


worst thing to happen I will have to organize that procurer event I was talking about ;) however as CSM you might have access to more data then we, can you please check for us how many procurer blowup each month from CCP directly, looking at the killboards I assume its between 1000 - 2000 ...but the number might be even higher

you may as well help me here with all the people telling me I'm stupid and stuff, without bringing up any arguments, as an OP the forum is not a nice place to be, especially when you say something controversial, that could be improved, too many people are hammering down on others just because they have a different opinion, often if I report those, the threads are closed entirely however I would like to have those people just removed from my thread, It would help to have a real block function to assure those people who are blocked are not even able to post on my threads

with that function only people would talk to eachother who really want to talk to eachother, please bring it up when you find the time
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#37 - 2013-05-28 07:56:56 UTC
The strange thing is,other people find that people are willing to spend whole days going through things with them, even when they know absolutely nothing at all.

I guess calling people sheep, cattle and telling them to get out of your thread is not conducive to a constructive dialogue.
Maybe its just me. *shrugs*
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-05-28 08:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Rhivre wrote:
The strange thing is,other people find that people are willing to spend whole days going through things with them, even when they know absolutely nothing at all.

I guess calling people sheep, cattle and telling them to get out of your thread is not conducive to a constructive dialogue.
Maybe its just me. *shrugs*


you missunderstood, I told you in a private evemail you can decide on your own if you want to go with the masses and just be a sheep or if you want to go your own way, I'm however not hammering down in a group on a single person, a thing a lot of people like doing here on the forum, an act which I consider to be shameful

I'm also sorry that I do not consider it to be constructive critisism when people tell me I'm stupid, I'm dump etc. if they are not able to come up with something more enlighting then I feel I'm the wrong one to discuss with
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#39 - 2013-05-28 08:30:44 UTC
I am just going to leave before I all of them

yes

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#40 - 2013-05-28 09:12:08 UTC
People of MD, I present to you my proposal;

Entrust onto me thine ISK, and verily shall I make haste to produce a plenitude of Procurers which I shall place unto thy SCC Market at sharply below manufacturing price.

We shall sort the riff-raff from the chaps.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.