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Dominix or Dominix Navy Issue for null ratting after odyssey
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Nasso Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-27 08:32:46 UTC
First post, hello. ;)

I currently have an dominix navy issue but i have little less than a month before i can fly it properly.

I was planning on using it for ratting/doing anoms in sansha null space.

And then came the information about the changes in odyssey.

The regular dominix seems perfect for what i am currently using my myrmidon for, as long range sentry boat.

So what do you guys think? Could the regular dominix actually be better to rat in null with than the dominix navy issue? I have mostly skilled in drones and still pretty bad skills in gunnery. With my myrmidon i currently do about 79 dps with the guns and 290 damage with my 4 curator sentry drones. Or is the faction variant just plain better?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-27 09:19:06 UTC
If you have poor gunnery skills the regular Domi will be much more useful for you

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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#3 - 2013-05-27 09:38:12 UTC
It's pretty much a question of engagement range.

If you can profit from the better optimal and opponent is not heavily resistant vs thermal (like your sansha), being able to use garde where the DNI will have to use worse drones will compensate a lot of your gunnery DPS.

Likewise at close range, where you may be able to avoid switching from your garde.

Without the bonus, the regular Dominix can also fit projectile weapons. Being able to select the appropriate damage type should also compensate somewhat.



That said, the DNI has an additional med which you could fit with a TP to help with drone aggro and compensate some of the regular domi's tracking advantage.



IMO the two ships are too similar to chose a clear winner, each will have situations where it's the better option. Unless you spider heavily in which case the regular domi is clearly better.
Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2013-05-27 15:15:02 UTC
As a long range sentry boat, i think the regular domi is clearly better. If they ever get an up to date mirror on the test server, i'd suggest hopping on there and trying them both out.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-05-27 20:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Depends on what you're doing. Blaster/Garde DNI will still pwnt hubs.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-05-28 04:53:02 UTC
For Sansha space the new Domi wins.

DNI in odyssey will (same as the current one) get a bonus to guns that are pure crap against Sansha (you can use un-bonuses guns like projectiles, but they just don't add much), where as the odyssei Domi will get bonuses to drones that will make even pliots with fairly crap drone skills pure awesome.

I've used every major drone ship EVE except super carrier in sansha space (Rattlesnake, Gila, All the Domi class ships inclduing the Sin, , Pilgrimss, etc etc even the Prophecy) and the Regular Dominix right now as just as good right now as any of them (though my fav is the Rattlesnake). The New Domi will probably outshine everything else for ratting.

I'm one of the people dissapointed that the Navy Domi isn't getting the same treatment.
Atreyu Bayne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-28 05:20:33 UTC
DNI still.

Fit omnidirectional in that extra mid you get to push toward what the regular domi will have. you should fit two standard though.

engagement range on drones will be less, but your rails with antimatter don't hit incredibly far anyways. You should be looking at combined drone/gun dps, which WILL kill faster than just drones since the drone damage bonus is the same on both ships.


On top of that DNI still has much more EHP, helping you be lazier overall....and that's what really counts =)
Nasso Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-28 06:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nasso Padecain
Jenn aSide wrote:
For Sansha space the new Domi wins.

DNI in odyssey will (same as the current one) get a bonus to guns that are pure crap against Sansha (you can use un-bonuses guns like projectiles, but they just don't add much), where as the odyssei Domi will get bonuses to drones that will make even pliots with fairly crap drone skills pure awesome.

I've used every major drone ship EVE except super carrier in sansha space (Rattlesnake, Gila, All the Domi class ships inclduing the Sin, , Pilgrimss, etc etc even the Prophecy) and the Regular Dominix right now as just as good right now as any of them (though my fav is the Rattlesnake). The New Domi will probably outshine everything else for ratting.

I'm one of the people dissapointed that the Navy Domi isn't getting the same treatment.


Lots of good answers. Thanks all. Especially this one. :)

Right now its leaning agains buying an regular Dominix, with curator (higher damage that garde against sansha) + artillery cannons and EMP-ammo to target that juicy sansha resist hole.

The same change of bonus on the navy dominix would be awesome for this usecase!
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#9 - 2013-05-31 14:51:25 UTC
ehhh .. the new reguler dominix cant even touch a properly piloted navy domi in terms of isk per hour. it doesnt even matter what space your in ... i got 9.00+ standings with all factions navies and have used it everywhere and really a well skilled and fit navy domi is pretty much king of ratting and missions.

the regular domi got alot worse with the change .. it only helps newbies out really heh .. seriously who snipes during ratting? are you trying to make the least amount of isk per hour? no reason for it unless they dont have the proper skills or setup .. i would take the old domi over the new one any day. and they are not going to change the navy dominix. the change to the reguler domi was nothing short of terrible. only benefits people who cant fly their ships properly.
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#10 - 2013-05-31 15:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Fade Azura
this is what i use for ratting serpentis anoms but you can use it anywhere just switch sentries and resist mods to the rats your facing. this will make more isk per hour doing anoms and belts then any other droneboat in the game easily for basic ratting.

tracking/optimal bonus to sentries and guns is tottaly unneccesary since every wave dies on approach right in my optimals.

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