EVE General Discussion

OP: Will never happen. They suggested it as their first toe-dip into the rank waters of microtransactions. The vociferous community response against this horrid idea was what made them promise never to do MT, and was the root of the outcry over Incarna…

It affects me by being a way to pay money to ignore game mechanics. It's inherently bad design. Why should you be allowed to skip parts of the game to begin with, and, worse, why should you be allowed to do so just because you fork over cash?

I'd like to be able to pay CCP to be allowed to skip this whole “warp scrambling” mechanic, but they won't let me do that either for much the same reason.

…aside from it breaking the game in many horrible ways without providing any kind of benefit to counterbalance all that breakage. In fact, let me count them.

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.

It will also never happen for the simple reasons that it's a solution to a problem EVE doesn't have, and the only effect of adding skill remaps is to create the very problem it's meant to solve. The reason those other MMOs have introduced such a mechanic is because they have the fundamentally flawed design of only offering limited avenues of development for a single character. EVE solved that problem before it was even released: if you want to do something new, just train it.

If you really want skill respecs, don't ask for skill respecs. Just ask for the removal of skills to begin with, because it's the same thing. Conversely, if you really want pay-for-attribute-remaps, don't ask for pay-for-attribute-remaps. Just ask for the removal of attributes, because again, it's much the same thing.

This should also give you a hint as to why they're futile things to ask for it.

Get your facts right, I'm not a troll and I didn't introduce sp reallocation into the thread, so I can only assume you've only read part of the thread.

James is correct, your definitley not right. :)

It won't happen. There is literally zero chance that CCP would ever introduce a mechanic which allowed you to respec your skill as anyone with half a brain would work out that this would quickly kill the game.

I remember the bloodlines and difference in attributes as well as the starting skills based on what career you chose. I actually preferred it that way.

I think part of the problem though was people kept messing up their characters where the attributes were concerned.

learning skills were removed and rightly so, having new people training learning skills rather than training other skills that helped them get into the game quicker was not really much good for player retention. But we don't need to get into that debate as we already know the result.

But you are using the slippery slope type argument and that's not necessarily true. But all MMOs change overtime, quite often they get worse, hopefully EVE won't follow that path.

Exactly, plus then we didn't have remaps.

Yes, it's was wrong that you were forced to choose you attributes while you don't know anything about the game. I have a bad ones on my first Deteis and then created Khanid and Achura... And they're both 2m behind anyway :)

But it this was the only problem, then why not to allow to remap(and even change a bloodline) as many times as newbies want before they reach 2m sp.

I'm not playing, but it's doesn't mean that i'm not subscribed and not changing skills. The order of skills is really doesn't matter, just the training speed. And many of the old ones playing the same way. And the training is the main reason to pay for the game. How else they can still be around for 6-10 years. It's insane, what to do here for such a long time? :)

I like to believe that these posts are not genuine.

The implants could go without much issue, but the attributes themselves serve a good purpose as far as specialisation, focus, and planning go.

Not anymore.
It's now simple, just 2 options:
1. Plan your training with a large packs of skills that will train at the maximum speed. Not very flexible, especially for the new players.
2. Make an average attriibutes, like max PER + INT. And you can train anything with the good speed. Very flexable.

I don't support those ideas. The old bloodline system was fine for me, and learnings too. But what done is done. And it's logical that it'll be finished sooner or later. And i can easily tell that something like that will be in the future. Respec, or no attributes at all. Reading this thread makes me even more sure of that: it's all happens, just very slowly. There were some topics like that in the past(2007,2008...). But it looked like a complete nonsense back then and was always trolled and not supported at all. Things change, now you're discussing it. Next thing i'll see is... Serious discussion of skill training boosters(drugs)?