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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Metis Laxon
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#721 - 2011-11-03 17:36:13 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
If you are talking about how WiS has been handled regarding establishments, rollout, etc, then yes it is a separate issue from MT. However the fact remains that CCP chose to remove features from what was previously shown in Ambulation for no other reason than to shoehorn them in the cash shop, so how can you view WiS and MT as separate knowing the history of Incarna. CCP themselves have linked them.


Actually nobody has the full story on why the content shown in 2009 has been scrapped entirely. None of the assets have been re-used. Making your point rather far fetching.
Titas Agor
TITANS OF PEACE
#722 - 2011-11-03 18:23:54 UTC
I still wanted WiS but the way its been implemented is so bad, its beyond a joke its become now, 2 things made it very bad, 1st was the introduction to a 2nd currency in the first place, WTH were they thinking of? there is no room and absolutely no need for a 2nd currency in the game, its just absolutely ludicrous to even fatherm how the hell they came up with that idea. 2nd was to release a project that was half ass done, you dont release something stupid like ONE CAPTAINS QUATER! when theres 4, and then expect it to be okay as one of the main features in a different expansion when its supposed be part of another expasion. If they weren't finished, then they weren't finished, dont release it. simple as that.

The prices are beyond stupid as it is, i mean can you imagine just how much of AUR you are going to need to rent a bar for example when they finally do get round to doing the REST of WiS? especially when you consider just how much 1 item of clothing costs? talk about a major fk up and the fact that you cant even design your own clothes which was an idea put forward years ago, using the in game comodities you get from usless loot from missions like silk, now WE have to pay up the ass to pay for someone ELSE at CCP to design them for us at a rate thats so dire, its not even worth doing at all. Seriously!! new clothes take this fking long to appear in the store? REALLY? its not that complicated when you have hte templates already in place
Metis Laxon
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#723 - 2011-11-03 18:35:34 UTC
Lateris wrote:
Ranka Mei wrote:
The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.

My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.

Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be."


I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish.



Once again, couldn't agree more there.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#724 - 2011-11-03 20:00:07 UTC
Metis Laxon wrote:
Lateris wrote:
Ranka Mei wrote:
The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.

My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.

Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be."


I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish.



Once again, couldn't agree more there.


Whereas (and sticking with the period theme) those people that still believe Incarna was actually going to have some real content beyond the NeX store are quite similar in outlook to those of the early movie period who often were persuaded to buy shares in the The Brooklyn Bridge.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Sakura Imoru
Perkone
Caldari State
#725 - 2011-11-03 22:17:47 UTC
I'm just going to leave this here, since I consider this one the main thread on this issue

Sakura Imoru wrote:
OK, I had enough of this BS, it's time to pull that rotten tooth out of your mouths (like we Germans use to say):

CCP Hilmar wrote:
Incarna

For the same reasons, Incarna—the real one with actual meaningful gameplay in it— will be a big step towards the future. For an experience that relies so much on emergence and human interaction, it’s remarkable that it’s taken us this long to actually put a face on it. Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they don’t connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVE’s longevity. We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplay—again, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love with—and without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs.


Time to face it, guys, WiS / Incarna / Space Barbies or whatever you want to call it is coming... and it's going to STAYTwisted
Hustler Funk
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#726 - 2011-11-03 23:31:12 UTC
Sakura Imoru wrote:
OK, I had enough of this BS, it's time to pull that rotten tooth out of your mouths (like we Germans use to say):


I love German sensibilities. Big smile

And quoting for truth...

Metis Laxon wrote:
Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game.

Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players...because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that.
Esiel
Renegade Serenity
#727 - 2011-11-04 08:32:37 UTC
I support WiS but I have a bad feeling it is going the way of the dead horse where good ideas are unfullfilled because CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp instead of inspiring and exciting.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#728 - 2011-11-04 09:12:41 UTC
Esiel wrote:
CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp

Is that why I sometimes get that not-so-fresh feeling after playing Eve?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#729 - 2011-11-04 09:14:28 UTC
No we don't.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#730 - 2011-11-04 09:20:17 UTC
No we don't indeed.
Taiwanistan
#731 - 2011-11-04 12:27:41 UTC
Esiel wrote:
I support WiS but I have a bad feeling it is going the way of the dead horse where good ideas are unfullfilled because CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp instead of inspiring and exciting.


so i really don't understand the outrage of the wis-lovers why are they special this happens erryday you guys just need to wait a few years

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#732 - 2011-11-04 21:59:55 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Esiel wrote:
I support WiS but I have a bad feeling it is going the way of the dead horse where good ideas are unfullfilled because CCP worries to much about keeping EVE dark and damp instead of inspiring and exciting.


so i really don't understand the outrage of the wis-lovers why are they special this happens erryday you guys just need to wait a few years


We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".

They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.

1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.

2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.

So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?

Issler
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#733 - 2011-11-04 23:25:12 UTC
Seeing how Winter 2011 is gonna be packed with FiS stuff, and assuming they get all that stuff to work straight in a reasonable amount of updates, it woulnd't be far-fetched to suggest to handle other sutff by Sumemr 2012. Not exactly Incarna in any beefed up version, but Winter 2011 is not the be-all and end-all for many players (name casuals, name soloers) and with as much shiny it provides, it actually leaves the aforementioned players orphan of additional gameplay.

There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress.

You know, stuff other than nullsec fixes, like new missions (are them in the books?), the PvP agents i suggested elswhere or many other ideas that could require precious dev time.

And, of course, work towards Real Incarna (Winter 2012?)

Everybody got a hungry heart, and some of us are hungry for stuff CCP is not cooking.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#734 - 2011-11-05 01:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Seeing how Winter 2011 is gonna be packed with FiS stuff, and assuming they get all that stuff to work straight in a reasonable amount of updates, it woulnd't be far-fetched to suggest to handle other sutff by Sumemr 2012. Not exactly Incarna in any beefed up version, but Winter 2011 is not the be-all and end-all for many players (name casuals, name soloers) and with as much shiny it provides, it actually leaves the aforementioned players orphan of additional gameplay.

There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress.

You know, stuff other than nullsec fixes, like new missions (are them in the books?), the PvP agents i suggested elswhere or many other ideas that could require precious dev time.

And, of course, work towards Real Incarna (Winter 2012?)

Everybody got a hungry heart, and some of us are hungry for stuff CCP is not cooking.


Simple corp meeting room or inviting a limited number of people to your CQ would suffice for many WiS players. The hamster cage is somewhat terrifying.

Reason: Another thing done half-arsed and put on "After world end" schedule.

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Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#735 - 2011-11-05 01:47:53 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
....

We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".

They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.

1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.

2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.

So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?

Issler

Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#736 - 2011-11-05 01:50:00 UTC
Bomberlocks wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
....

We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".

They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.

1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.

2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.

So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?

Issler

Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game.


You were so missed at the Bob Marley look-alike... It is that way --->

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#737 - 2011-11-05 01:50:48 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress.

This is such a horrible troll.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#738 - 2011-11-05 01:53:58 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
There is potential of iteration of existing non-Fis features, like adding more hairdos (even RATIAL hairdos, for god's ake!) or additional layers of clothing (some people said "hats", why not? Hats, helmets, berets...) or plain release the Nex stuff from the market tab, and take the chance and turn it into micro-transactions so we poor humble mission runners can afford to buy some clothes each month rather than grind for months for each piece of dress.

This is such a horrible troll.


Well, I don't care about dresses either, if they are not player-made.
I care about social interaction options. So for once - on this part you cut out - I agree.
Out of shame agreeing with a Goon I go to bed now.

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T-Jay Charante
Black Sun Industry and Research
#739 - 2011-11-05 01:58:30 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Bomberlocks wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
....

We've been waiting for 5 years depending on how you count them and this is the first major feature that CCP has ever stated they are backing away from and "putting on ice indefinitely".

They claim they are doing this for at least two reasons.

1. No one really wanted WiS. This is clearly a lie.

2. They can't see any way to make it "compelling". Also a lie, there are hundreds of suggestions on the table that would be most welcome be a non-trivial portion of Eve.

So this is worse than most neglected features in Eve where CCP just quietly stops working on them, this one is being tossed out the dirgible. So why would I have any confidence it will ever get back in plan?

Issler

Issler, dearest, you need to lift the needle off that stuck record. If you feel so strongly about spacebarbies, then run for the next CSM on that platform. If you get in, you'll know that ken and barbie are indeed a valuable part of an internet spaceship game.


You were so missed at the Bob Marley look-alike... It is that way --->


Barbie would be proud, he coordinated the colour of his glasses with his hair.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#740 - 2011-11-05 02:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Jade Constantine wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
Lateris wrote:
Ranka Mei wrote:
The often childish resistence against WiS makes me think of the history of motion pictures. Right after the 'silent era' (1894-1929) silent films were replaced by 'talking pictures' in the late 1920s. Many folks -- with a very limited imagination, only accepting of what they had -- couldn't handle the extra dimension added, and started ridiculing 'talkies,' typically by making mock-movies with funnily-montaged chirping sounds (the voice audio tracks of talking movies were still of very low quality at the time; hence the chirping), arguing 'voice' added no real content, and only brought down the aesthetic quality of cinema. Their immense shortsightedness, seen from today, speaks for itself.

My point? Don't be that stupid person ridiculing the extra dimension WiS offers. I know you love your FiS, and that you think that saying 'space barbie' a lot makes you look cool, and that you think you represent the 'real' EVE-er. Well, those who ridiculed 'talkies' went the way of the dinosaur, and now look dumb beyond measure. Instead, try and wrap your brain around the notion that WiS could add an entire new immersive dimension to EVE, akin to what adding voice did for movies; and that history will make it so that you'll inevitably be on the losing side of this argument, decisively.

Sure, currently WiS is nothing more than a (very sophisticated) avatar in a slick looking 3D realm. But as a favorite space Captain of mine once said, "Try and see past what she is, and onto what she can be."


I couldn't agree more. Don't kill creativity. And we all agree the micro transactions are rubbish.



Once again, couldn't agree more there.


Whereas (and sticking with the period theme) those people that still believe Incarna was actually going to have some real content beyond the NeX store are quite similar in outlook to those of the early movie period who often were persuaded to buy shares in the The Brooklyn Bridge.



Quoted for truth

5 accounts and all the alts do not make a majority of EVE.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes