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Ometoch
Nothing Useful
#41 - 2011-11-01 10:25:29 UTC
Joshke wrote:
P.S. Bad tip is to ignore ninjas. Just imagine what a pain would be, if a ninja take your mission's loot.


True, getting your mission item ganked is bad... however, if you do a bit of research on eve-survival (you should be anyways), you'll know what structure, ship, etc drops what, and make sure to grab it right after it pops. Either with your missioner or your salvage monkey.

Joshke wrote:
The best way is to ignore loot and salvaging at all - it is 1) boring , 2) it takes your time and 3) it brings not at all so much. Better, do more missions instead of swapping to your salvage ship, warping here and there, salvaging (omg, how it is boring!) carrieng all these scram to your trade hub.... - you simply earn 10x more on bounty and LP if you do another couple missions during this time.


I disagree with you here. Boring is your opinion. everything takes time, and the amount of cash you can gain from salvage can be substantial, especially if you know what sells well, and watch the market. I usually throw all of my salvage into the copr hangar, and go through it once a week. Again, if you are missioning a lot, it will add up, and since you are already there, and looting, and mostlikely either planning on salvaging yourself or have a salvage monkey, then makes no sense to leave it. But again, just like your post, this is my opinion. YMMV
Glarrion
Minner Alliance
#42 - 2011-11-01 10:38:55 UTC
yup salvage on some mission is substantial - especialy dog tags - yesterday i run 2 sets vs gallente to get tags for about 230 mil .... made some CN launchers and bcs and contracted for a ~430 mil .... only 4 hrs of play
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2011-11-02 09:43:11 UTC
Glarrion wrote:
yup salvage on some mission is substantial - especialy dog tags
Dog tags are not salvage.
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Premise: This game is a competition. You are competing with other players for resources.

Is it wise to leave resources (in this case wrecks) lying around for your competitors to benefit from?
Yes, because while he's occupied with low-value space scrap, you can keep making piles upon piles of cache. Stopping to care about what the garbage man does (to say nothing about wasting resources on him) only reduces the size of those piles.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#44 - 2011-11-02 13:39:41 UTC
You do realize that we get a huge kick out of these threads, right?

I find it fascinating that the sandbox allows such diverse approaches to the game, and then, in this little arena, those philosophy collide with humorous results. Most, ok maybe not most, but many mission runners are really tied up with the concept of becoming space rich. They run missions to see those big ISKies tick and rake in the cash with very, very little risk. Ninjas on the other hand, or at least in my experience, are usually very laid back sorts of fellows who delight in trickery, goofy scams, and watching the other guy explode. We require paltry sums of ISK most of which falls right into our laps and every now and then, we'll shoot some wayward individual who will drop faction and deadspace mods like a Boss.

But to the OP, look, CCP gave you the big "I WIN" button with the Noctis. It is absolutely absurd at how well it Hoovers a room so, the advantage is definitely on your side. Other than that, you do realize we are Corp Red when we're in your mission. Surely to God there's someone in your corp who is willing to come shoot us. If not, well, GTFO and find a real corp.

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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#45 - 2011-11-02 14:52:31 UTC
The only thing more hilariously self-righteous than the Bear screaming "OMG THEY STEALED MY SALVAGE!!!1!!" is the Ninja Salvager repeating "Not stealing, if it was we would get flagged, we heart yore tearz!"

I agree with many of the people in here, don't run missions in Dodixie, and you will rarely if ever see a ninja salvager. If you do see them, just ignore them, maybe even just say hey and crack a joke.
Mythradites
Dead and Delirious
Brotherhood of Spacers
#46 - 2011-11-02 18:42:53 UTC
If my alt doesn't salvage I use a corporation mate. If no one is up to the task then I just leave it. Ignoring them typically makes them go away. But usually I'm done and on a different mission and salvaging before They find me again.
Pamela Podpopper
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-11-02 19:02:08 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
The best option is to just leave them to have it and clear the mission and go to the next one. If it persists in your area then consider moving if you really want the salvage. It's not actually YOURS by right, otherwise they would be flagged to you. If they take the loot then you can shoot them but its not recommended since they often are hoping for this and will use cheap tricks like orca hotswaps to change into a ship to kill your mission running ship which will die horribly to a PVP fit.

At the end of the day it's not worth worrying about and the smart option is to finish the mission and move on. Alternatively, sometimes 'blueing' your nearby wrecks will show them you dont care and they might move on when they realise they cant goad you into shooting them.

On no accounts speak to them in local as even simply saying 'lol binman' or something will count as 'sweet tears' to these plebs.


you are terrible and need to immediately stop typing
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#48 - 2011-11-02 19:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
I wish someone would ninja salvage or even loot my missions! Straight Sometimes I feel sorry for all the waste I leave behind as I hardly ever salvage or loot. To get back to my mission agent system, fly back to the mission, get between all the wrecks through all the rooms is a bit too boring after doing it so many times already.

That said, they can ninja salvage your wrecks but not loot them, e.g. not take tags and stuff without permitting you to shoot them without being concorded. If they start flashing red, they steal your loot and don't just salvage your wrecks.
But often that's exactly what they want and they have backup standing by to gank you. Which you'll like even less.

Ninja looters usually are either new and poor players or just baiting for their corp mates to gank your expensive mission ship. In either case it's better to just leave them alone as their ISK/hour is rather pitiable compared to your reward plus bonus plus LP plus bounty.

If it annoys you, just ignore them. No idea why it happens to you so frequently as I don't even have one ninja a month in my misions.
Pamela Podpopper
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-11-02 19:13:33 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
You do realize that we get a huge kick out of these threads, right?

I find it fascinating that the sandbox allows such diverse approaches to the game, and then, in this little arena, those philosophy collide with humorous results. Most, ok maybe not most, but many mission runners are really tied up with the concept of becoming space rich. They run missions to see those big ISKies tick and rake in the cash with very, very little risk. Ninjas on the other hand, or at least in my experience, are usually very laid back sorts of fellows who delight in trickery, goofy scams, and watching the other guy explode. We require paltry sums of ISK most of which falls right into our laps and every now and then, we'll shoot some wayward individual who will drop faction and deadspace mods like a Boss.

But to the OP, look, CCP gave you the big "I WIN" button with the Noctis. It is absolutely absurd at how well it Hoovers a room so, the advantage is definitely on your side. Other than that, you do realize we are Corp Red when we're in your mission. Surely to God there's someone in your corp who is willing to come shoot us. If not, well, GTFO and find a real corp.



Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
It also causes juicy tearz too
Sugar Diick taught me that one
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#50 - 2011-11-02 22:47:00 UTC
I recently had my very first ninja salvager after more than a year of playing (near Dodixie).

I actually found that quite neighbourly and a welcome change from the usual bore, what I didn´t get, however, was why someone actually bothers with a L3 mission, he must have known that a Myrm is a battlecruiser....

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Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#51 - 2011-11-03 00:22:47 UTC
Pamela Podpopper wrote:

Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
It also causes juicy tearz too
Sugar Diick taught me that one


LOL. Yes it does to some degree, but the Noctis if fit properly will out-salvage even a seasoned ninja such as I. The larger point my Dear is that the speed of the Noctis in the hands of a properly skilled Alt means that missions get salvaged at a far greater speed than back in the days of the Salvage Catalyst or Salvage Cane. Thus, the window for ninja looting and or salvaging is far slimmer. Even if you don't agree with this point, you must concede the point that the Noctis is probably the end game for Mission Runners who wish to compete with us for the loot and salvage.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-11-03 04:37:20 UTC
Pamela Podpopper wrote:


Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
It also causes juicy tearz too
Sugar Diick taught me that one


I called this maneuver the tear generator. When I used to ninja you could feel the morale in the room plummet as you sat there on top of his salvager salvaging and loot his wrecks faster than he could. It was quite effective to get the missioner to just move on and leave all the loot and salvage to you. ;)



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Chi Ftele
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-11-03 21:15:26 UTC
don't mission in or near the most crowded systems, a couple of units of agent quality is not going to make a great deal of difference

That is all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2011-11-03 21:29:34 UTC
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
Solo: sitting under the noctis with your cargohold open mashing ctrl-A dragging their loot to your hold trumps the reach of the Noctii
Its plural is noctium, by the way…
Kain Bodom
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#55 - 2011-11-04 19:14:33 UTC
100 million isk made this week. :) about 10 mill an hour give or take. For frig work nothing pays more... that I know of.

And for the record I leave when I see a Noctis.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#56 - 2011-11-04 21:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Ninja salvage is how I made my first "real" ISK in Eve. It was my primary income stream for quite a few weeks.

You asked why you should not shoot your own wrecks. Because doing so puts your own spite in front of what should be the real goal of any mission runner: To make ISK. Stop wasting your time.

There are two ways to do missions. Blitz or loot. If you see a ninja salvager show up, just call that one a blitz, abandon the wrecks, and move on to the next mission. By doing that you'll either make a new player very happy or you'll really tick off someone trying to bait you into attacking or hoping for tears. Either one is good, right?

If you screw around trying to beat them (without a skilled Noctis pilot), you will either get your shiny mission ship blown to bits or just waste your own time and increase your own frustration. If you shoot them out of the sky and nothing happens...congrats on blowing up a new Eve player trying to make a little ISK off your table scraps. Have a cookie. If you shoot them and they show back up in a pvp fit ship, make no mistake, your ship is forfeit.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2011-11-05 00:00:56 UTC
Like Princess ninja-salvage was my first decent income source in eve, before I fell in with a group of dedicated mission runners who gave me all their lvl4 mission sites after they'd blitzed.

I agree with Princess that wreck shooting is a waste of effort / time, and it's not a good thing to do. Firstly you show them you care, and if their actual goal is to gank you then you've encouraged them to hang around a while longer and keep trying. Secondly you are using your ammo and time to destroy something of relatively low value just so they can't access it. That seems to be a bit of cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face to me, and leads to a (small) reduction in your income.

It's an interesting thread, but I will stick to my original advice of 'just completely ignore them'.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-11-05 00:31:04 UTC
To sum up this thread and answer the original question (go down the list in order presented as you fail/can't do the step):

1) find a less populated home
2) noctis alt/friend (if you have no friends or alts you can try to get him to salvage and split with you)
3) remind the ninja that this is EVE: gank that ************ (use the noctis guy's combat ship so you can keep missioning)
4) write it up as a loss and tip your hat to what is hopefully a noob in need. I'd suggest convoing the guy and if he is just an asshat rethink how you can accomplish step 3.

I didn't put in shooting the cans because that is going to make you lose in every way. My list is best outcome to worst outcome, losing as little as possible.


Oh, for the people saying "this is how I made money when I was a wee-baby-capsuleer so take pity on them"- you to can work your way up the ladder by missioning like the guy you're leaching off of probably did.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#59 - 2011-11-05 18:07:53 UTC
Desudes wrote:
Oh, for the people saying "this is how I made money when I was a wee-baby-capsuleer so take pity on them"- you to can work your way up the ladder by missioning like the guy you're leaching off of probably did.


Speaking for REAL ninjas everywhere, we want you to shoot those little wee-baby buggers rather than "take pity on them". They need to get comfortable with being shot at and blowing up. Part of the gig and as we say in TEARS "HTFU young ninja".

And look, there are just some players who don't like the "grinding nature" of mission-running and would rather find other ways of having fun in EVE. The sandbox allows us to compete with other players for resources and the sooner those who are being "leached" realize they have adversaries and competitors, why, the better off they'll be as well.

Here's the facts:

Where coming for your stuff and we mean to take it. All of it. If you make it easy on us, that's on you pal. We're also coming fot those sweet, sweet shiny modules on your mission boat so by all means, please shoot at our throwaway frigates. Or don't, in another month, those Faction and Deadspace mods may not be safe no matter where you fly.

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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-11-05 20:06:10 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
We're also coming fot those sweet, sweet shiny modules on your mission boat so by all means, please shoot at our throwaway frigates.


Desudes wrote:
3) remind the ninja that this is EVE: gank that ************ (use the noctis guy's combat ship so you can keep missioning)


Yeah, you take those meta 4s from my alts t1 fit Hurricane. I'm shaking in my e-boots from your e-toughness.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?