These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Blasting through Null and kinda surprised...
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#141 - 2013-05-25 08:19:49 UTC
Call Rollard wrote:
I was in a fleet in Querious, we went 25 jumps or so and everything was empty but the deadend system.
Querious has pretty much been abandoned since HBC dissolved. It's probably a pretty decent area for high-sec ninja ratters right now.

Oh god.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-05-25 09:14:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

yea, exactly
that's why incursion community got almost dead not so long ago Lol
and 0.0 alliances have enough power and ISK to organize events like "Burn Jita"


It was amazing to see all of the arguments against the nerf based upon how good the incursion community was then see all of those people abandon it when the nerf hit. Turns out we were right, they did only care about the isk.

need to agree here.

however your "CCP cares a lot about incursion farmers" is incorrect

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#143 - 2013-05-25 11:17:21 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

need to agree here.

however your "CCP cares a lot about incursion farmers" is incorrect


I'm not making that argument, I have ever growing faith in CCP in dealing with high sec income imbalances.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#144 - 2013-05-25 13:23:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
i find it funny that CCP breaks everything for 0.0 and leaves it broken for almost a year, but if the incursion community - none of whom pay a single dime out of their own pockets for this game - is slightly inconvenienced, CCP rushes to fix everything for them and ensure that they are happy and every one of their whims is seen to


the spice must flow?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#145 - 2013-05-25 13:26:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
it almost died because apparently the ones holding them together and running things were nullsec guys who almost took their pve characters to 0.0 until CCP made sure that nobody did anything drastic like "make their isk in a risky part of the game"



i'm with you bro... but since when is 0.0 isk making riskier then any other way to make isk? you either have to be a dolt or awoxed to die ratting/plexing/mission/exploring in null sec.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#146 - 2013-05-25 13:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
i don’t think the way to fix 0.0 is to increase the isk faucet in null sec and decrease it in high sec...
Rather for me the fix would be adding special commodities to null sec that can only be gathered threw active harvesting. (much like how tech III components work or old drone poo or how there is going to be the tag for sec status drops in low sec)

What this new commodity would be up to the devs. Personally I would love to see new bpc’s that can drop that allow the production of meta ii-iv tech II guns and turrets.

right now you have moon goo but for really is mostly passive income and does not require you to actually live in the space... in fact all you need is jump clones near by to defend any incursions due to how pos reinforce mechanics work.

but if you added some sort of special loot drop that was valuable enough to be sold for more isk then you could generate in high sec then this would make it worth while to actually live and farm null sec once again.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#147 - 2013-05-25 13:58:10 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
iif you added some sort of special loot drop that was valuable enough to be sold for more isk then you could generate in high sec then this would make it worth while to actually live and farm null sec once again.

Maybe they could invent rare officer or faction spawns that drop valuable loot.

Oh god.
Rual Storge
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#148 - 2013-05-25 14:21:03 UTC
Gogela wrote:
FINALLY I have some time for eve after about a year... I'm shooting through null scammin' and what do I find? Nothing. A lot more nothing than I expected. No bubble camps. No patrols. Nothin'

Yah I'm in a cloaky nullified tengu, but I may as well have taken an iteron V. Every 20 jumps I find a frig or something... but even they are jumping at shadows, jumping through gates as soon as I'm in sys without even seeing what I'm in.

What happened?!



You need to team up to make isk or get better isk grounds, so ppl from corporations.

These corporations join togheter in an allaince as its easier to make make isk and get better isk grounds

Alliances make allaince coalitions as its easier to get free isk from moon go that way and get better isk grounds

Allaince coalitions team up with other allaince coalitions as its easier to monopolize moon goo, make more is and get better isk ground

Alliances coalitions pray as inbetween snack on smaller corpporations or individual allainces fleets as blobbing is zero risk and lots of 5 minuts fun.

Smaller corpporations or individual allainces pvp less as blobbing isnt fun and seek pvp elsewere > WH, low, FW, ect

Less pvp happends & its reallly safe to farm isk & travel (here we are now)

Soon more solo nich pvp'r come farm the carebears for griefing, but mechanics make it hard and painfull to collect tears at a same rate or quicker than in high sec, so tehy give up after a while.

Than its waiting on what ccp does to fix.



MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#149 - 2013-05-25 14:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Riot Girl wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
iif you added some sort of special loot drop that was valuable enough to be sold for more isk then you could generate in high sec then this would make it worth while to actually live and farm null sec once again.

Maybe they could invent rare officer or faction spawns that drop valuable loot.


officer loot is way to rare to be worthy enough to properly populate 0.0... you can spend years ratting and never run into one. you need something that drops allot but is only found in 0.0...

if not dropping tech II meta turret/missile bpc then some sort of materials that is needed for tech II meta production (like wh space drops tech III components) and allow tech II meta bpc's to be invented.

moreover bs faction spawns are terrible the low sec bc ones have much much better drops and there is nothing in faction drops you cannot get in a lp store by doing missions.

edit: you could also add moon goo to hauler spawns... so instead of haulers dropping minerals they would drop tech or prom...

i would also add in null sec exploration hacking sites materials needed for tech II meta gear invention... like new data cores and other material needed for tech II meta invention.

that way you add lots of stuff that can be used to be sold in eve but does not add any isk faucet...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Rual Storge
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-05-25 15:46:29 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
iif you added some sort of special loot drop that was valuable enough to be sold for more isk then you could generate in high sec then this would make it worth while to actually live and farm null sec once again.

Maybe they could invent rare officer or faction spawns that drop valuable loot.


officer loot is way to rare to be worthy enough to properly populate 0.0... you can spend years ratting and never run into one. you need something that drops allot but is only found in 0.0...

if not dropping tech II meta turret/missile bpc then some sort of materials that is needed for tech II meta production (like wh space drops tech III components) and allow tech II meta bpc's to be invented.

moreover bs faction spawns are terrible the low sec bc ones have much much better drops and there is nothing in faction drops you cannot get in a lp store by doing missions.

edit: you could also add moon goo to hauler spawns... so instead of haulers dropping minerals they would drop tech or prom...

i would also add in null sec exploration hacking sites materials needed for tech II meta gear invention... like new data cores and other material needed for tech II meta invention.

that way you add lots of stuff that can be used to be sold in eve but does not add any isk faucet...



The problem is that it go's alll around ISK.... it should all be around fun.....


0.0 should be more fun than anything else...

The reson people play games is for fun not for gathering ingame currency

the whole mentality is just wrong and totaly based on horrbile balanced game mechanics

as final question, would you go to 0.0 if there was more risk, less is and more fun than in high sec? I do!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#151 - 2013-05-25 16:04:02 UTC
Gogela wrote:
FINALLY I have some time for eve after about a year... I'm shooting through null scammin' and what do I find? Nothing. A lot more nothing than I expected. No bubble camps. No patrols. Nothin'

Yah I'm in a cloaky nullified tengu, but I may as well have taken an iteron V. Every 20 jumps I find a frig or something... but even they are jumping at shadows, jumping through gates as soon as I'm in sys without even seeing what I'm in.

What happened?!


You went thru the wrong sace in NULL. When ever I make my jaunts thru ORE or to Solitude I always see a few bubbles & camps.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2013-05-25 16:23:46 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Risk/Reward imbalance and general 0.0 mechanic stagnation pulled everyone back into highsec.


Which is really rather amusing since they were better off in nulsec anyways. Hisec is far more dangerous these days, and the rewards are even crappier.

Hi.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#153 - 2013-05-25 16:51:38 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

You went thru the wrong sace in NULL. When ever I make my jaunts thru ORE or to Solitude I always see a few bubbles & camps.

I think that's one of the best area's in the game, ORE space all the way down to Delve and and the Khanid kingdom. All the little highsec islands and NPC stations along with the proximity of Test make that a pretty good area to roam.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#154 - 2013-05-25 17:16:48 UTC
Bane Veradun wrote:
Hisec is far more dangerous these days


Good joke.

Oh wait, you're actually serious.

Let me laugh even harder.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#155 - 2013-05-25 17:30:21 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Bane Veradun wrote:
Hisec is far more dangerous these days


Good joke.

Oh wait, you're actually serious.

Let me laugh even harder.


two months ago i flew an unfit domi with only trimarks from nrt4 to souther stain about 30 jumps and lived...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-05-25 17:45:36 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
two months ago i flew an unfit domi with only trimarks from nrt4 to souther stain about 30 jumps and lived...


that's a bit of a dumb way to make a point seeing as a solo domi screams "this is bait"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2013-05-25 17:54:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

need to agree here.

however your "CCP cares a lot about incursion farmers" is incorrect


I'm not making that argument, I have ever growing faith in CCP in dealing with high sec income imbalances.

you can.
but i'm pretty sure they will not remove all ISK sources from high-sec. And thus "risk/reward imbalance" will always be present.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#158 - 2013-05-25 18:02:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
two months ago i flew an unfit domi with only trimarks from nrt4 to souther stain about 30 jumps and lived...


that's a bit of a dumb way to make a point seeing as a solo domi screams "this is bait"


so its a players risk adverse nature that keeps 0.0 empty?

not sure if that can be fixed with game mechanics when its really a psychological thing

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#159 - 2013-05-25 18:05:34 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
you can.
but i'm pretty sure they will not remove all ISK sources from high-sec. And thus "risk/reward imbalance" will always be present.


nice strawman

not

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#160 - 2013-05-25 18:07:49 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
so its a players risk adverse nature that keeps 0.0 empty?

not sure if that can be fixed with game mechanics when its really a psychological thing


why yes let me go tackle this arazu that's motoring about off station for no reason this won't end poorly at all

there's risk aversion and there's recognizing recognizing obvious bait, because domis generally fall under "obvious bait"

avoiding getting baited is intelligent gameplay because generally they're not going to try to bait you if they can't curbstomp you

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar