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Kayemeh Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 22	#1 - 2013-05-23 22:08:47 UTC 2 I am annoyed that I have 574k sp trained in Citadel Torpedos that I can no longer use. These will not be refunded. That is all.

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Tsukino Stareine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,949	#2 - 2013-05-24 07:09:07 UTC they will be useful on chimeras when they are rebalanced soon(tm) Art of Explosions

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iskflakes Likes received: 954	#3 - 2013-05-24 07:48:20 UTC Deal with it. Above poster means phoenix, not chimera. -

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OfBalance Caldari State Likes received: 512	#4 - 2013-05-24 08:17:15 UTC Here to confirm that the Phoenix is awful.


Tsukino Stareine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,949	#5 - 2013-05-24 08:22:04 UTC iskflakes wrote: Deal with it. Above poster means phoenix, not chimera. that I do Art of Explosions

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Max Wager Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 42	#6 - 2013-05-24 15:09:18 UTC 5 Don't pretend like they weren't wasted before.

Kayemeh

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#7 - 2013-05-24 22:13:21 UTC

Max Wager wrote:

Don't pretend like they weren't wasted before.

Haha, Indeed. But it was me wasting those skill points, not CCP. Makes a huge difference.

I can't think of any similar situation for a precedent. I've had plenty of skills and mods changed to where I no longer use them, but never before have I had them taken away from me. With the upcoming ship changes the Devs have said that if you can fly it before then you can fly it after the patch. Why can I no longer put Cit Torps on the Naglfar? I still have the skills.

Kayemeh

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#8 - 2013-06-14 10:34:06 UTC

I would like the devs to consider refunding the SP invested in Citadel Torps by myself and other players who have trained the Naglfar.

Minmatar dread pilots had to invest extra skill points to fly their ships due to the split weapon system. It was always a bit of a disadvantage to us. Now, with the recent changes to this ship, I no longer can fit Cit Torps on anything I fly and these SP are completely wasted.

It was suggested by customer service that I keep this thread active.

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RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance Likes received: 1,340	#9 - 2013-06-14 14:38:29 UTC Kayemeh wrote: I would like the devs to consider refunding the SP invested in Citadel Torps by myself and other players who have trained the Naglfar. It was suggested by customer service that I keep this thread active. Was probably their way of saying "Let me put you on hold".

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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. Likes received: 18,382	#10 - 2013-06-14 15:23:38 UTC 1 Kayemeh wrote: I am annoyed that I have 574k sp trained in Citadel Torpedos that I can no longer use. These will not be refunded. That is all. You'll have a headstart when it's the Pheonix's turn to be the best dread. "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

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#11 - 2013-06-14 15:24:44 UTC

Kayemeh wrote:

I would like the devs to consider refunding the SP invested in Citadel Torps by myself and other players who have trained the Naglfar.

Skillpoints are only refunded when the skill no longer has any function in the game. Citadel Torps still exist and in fact capital missiles recently got a nice little buff. You're not getting a refund.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Angelique Duchemin

Team Evil

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#12 - 2013-06-14 17:25:36 UTC | Edited by: Angelique Duchemin

iskflakes wrote:

Deal with it.

Above poster means phoenix, not chimera.

Aw darn.

I read that and I was like "holy crap, Citadel torpedo Carrier? Skill U turn!! SKILL U TURN!!!

Besides. If CCP had to refund skillpoints to players because the points are related to things that suck then they would have to refund the entire minmatar capital skill tree.

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Gizznitt Malikite

Agony Unleashed

Agony Empire

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#13 - 2013-06-14 17:30:45 UTC

Kayemeh wrote:

I am annoyed that I have 574k sp trained in Citadel Torpedos that I can no longer use. These will not be refunded.

That is all.

And if you can already Fly a Naglfar with decent skills, it will take you:

10 hours to Caldari Frig 3 +
10 hours to Caldari Dessie 3 +
25 hours to Caldari Cruiser 3 +
30 hours to Caldari BC 3 +
40 hours to Caldari BS 3:
Which is 4d 19h until you can train Caldari Dread (and I bet you have a bunch of these skills already).

It will take you 14d to get Dread IV, and you'll be a average Pheonix Pilot as well as a decent Naglfar Pilot.

You don't "deserve" a refund, and 574k SP is only 9 days of training.

How many SP did your character get with the Dessie and BC change: 2m, 4m, 6m?

Kayemeh

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#14 - 2013-06-14 22:50:10 UTC

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Kayemeh wrote:

I am annoyed that I have 574k sp trained in Citadel Torpedos that I can no longer use. These will not be refunded.

That is all.

I have minmatar dreadnoughts trained to 5. It would take 52 days to get Phoenix to that level, so forget about it.
But why would I ever train it even to level 4 (11 days)? They are roughly the same ship - shield tanked, capless weapon systems and mediocre.

It is a certainty that due to the latest dread changes I will never use Cit Torps again and cannot fit them on any ship I fly. My dread of choice required me to train them, but this has changed. I don't think it's unreasonable to politely ask for a dev to review if a refund is appropriate. I'm not going to get emotional about it.

Interesting that no Naglfar pilots have posted as far as I can tell. Doubt many folks fly this ship at all.

Kayemeh

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#15 - 2013-06-14 23:48:04 UTC

Malcanis wrote:

Kayemeh wrote:

I would like the devs to consider refunding the SP invested in Citadel Torps by myself and other players who have trained the Naglfar.

You are almost certainly 100% correct on all points. Great about the Capital missile buff - too bad I'll only ever have them used against me though Blink

Has there ever been a comparable situation where a top tier weapon was deleted from a top tier ship? I don't see any harm in reviewing it, it's probably a unique situation.

Angelique Duchemin

Team Evil

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#16 - 2013-06-15 08:13:38 UTC

Since the starting of this thread you have trained about 1,2 million SP. Is the status quo restored yet?


Kayemeh Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 22	#17 - 2013-06-15 16:52:38 UTC Angelique Duchemin wrote: Since the starting of this thread you have trained about 1,2 million SP. Is the status quo restored yet? It's not the amount of skill points that matters in Eve, it's how players allocate them. My argument is that I have SP that I can no longer use due to game design changes. How is that not clear to you?

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Chris Winter Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary Likes received: 647	#18 - 2013-06-15 22:54:14 UTC 1 You can still use it, you just choose not to.

Kayemeh

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#19 - 2013-06-16 02:13:45 UTC

Chris Winter wrote:

You can still use it, you just choose not to.

Correct, I choose not to train Caldari Dreads and buy a Phoenix in order to exercise my ability to fire Citadel Torps. No thanks.

CCP did a pretty nice job with the changes to Minnie split weapon systems this year, but unfortunately the Naglfar had to lose it's missile hardpoints. If all CCP were able to do for this ship was to re-balance the skill point requirements so that it is the same as the other dreads, then I want those extra skill points that I had to waste back.

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Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs Likes received: 6,913	#20 - 2013-06-16 02:23:45 UTC Sell it and buy another character. It has only been 3 months.