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Reminder for the Amarr Empire regarding the Minmatar insurgency in Gallente space.

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Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-23 12:39:43 UTC
Recent events have opened my eyes to the fact that there are very few government officials who have a mind for the subtlety and strategic thinking which government requires. Not only has Heth been acting like the madman he is, but even those the Federation trusted have shown that their grip on sanity is dominated by nothing more than instinctual rage. I trust there are still individuals out there capable of understanding the message I am about to convey.

While the Gallente militia recently adopted a more skeptical approach to their Minmatar allies after numerous reports of friendly fire, the Gallente Navy have wisely kept themselves from demanding retribution. They have shown themselves above petty demands for vengeance, but I can assure you all that this suppression of emotion is not as effective in all parts of Gallente space. There are already numerous people who wish for Gallentean retribution against the Republic, and they are likely to make themselves heard in the political arena.

The current situation is salvageable, and a common enemy at this time is likely to help strengthen the Gallente-Minmatar bond back to what it was. However, if the Minmatar launch another strike in Gallente space, no senator will risk the approval of the electorate by aiding the Minmatar, should the Amarr happen to launch a reclamation campaign while the Minmatar fleet is engaged elsewhere.

I would also like to point out to any Minmatar that might be reading that the Amarr already knew what I have said in this thread, and probably didn't need the reminder.

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Anslo
Scope Works
#2 - 2013-05-23 13:28:32 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
I would also like to point out to any Minmatar that might be reading that the Amarr already knew what I have said in this thread, and probably didn't need the reminder.


So you're just saying it to get people stirred up and angry?

K.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Cyanios Talvanen
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
#3 - 2013-05-23 13:40:51 UTC
What a wonderful person you are. You get to look down at the Caldari and the Minmatar at the same time, and you are still claim you are allies with them?

Thats not being an ally. Thats being busy declareing yourself superior just because others have a different culture and way of thinking.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#4 - 2013-05-23 13:45:46 UTC
So in the result of the Federation handing the Minmatar over to Merimeth Sarum, which party would I need to speak to if I wished to procure mining rights for Pator IV?

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-05-23 14:00:50 UTC
Just what was needed, another apologetic of the invasion of the Empire. Come with your friends, captain Fatalis, we're waiting for you. We have just kicked the Minmatarr out of most of the war zone, so we can devoid some time to showing you why it's a bad idea to invade amarrian space.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#6 - 2013-05-23 14:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Sepherim wrote:
Just what was needed, another apologetic of the invasion of the Empire. Come with your friends, captain Fatalis, we're waiting for you. We have just kicked the Minmatarr out of most of the war zone, so we can devoid some time to showing you why it's a bad idea to invade amarrian space.

You might want to re-read the post. Really carefully. Because not a single thing was said about invading the Empire. In fact, it was quite the opposite:

"Aurora Fatalis" wrote:
However, if the Minmatar launch another strike in Gallente space, no senator will risk the approval of the electorate by aiding the Minmatar, should the Amarr happen to launch a reclamation campaign while the Minmatar fleet is engaged elsewhere.

Love the talking in absolutes there, by the way, Fatalis - it's a pretty clear indicator that you're talking out of your ass in an attempt to play the part of the armchair politician.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#7 - 2013-05-23 14:33:46 UTC
I like you, Morwen. We should do drinks.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-23 14:49:00 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
I would also like to point out to any Minmatar that might be reading that the Amarr already knew what I have said in this thread, and probably didn't need the reminder.


So you're just saying it to get people stirred up and angry?

It's a simple psychological fact that people in emotional turmoil is the most likely to change. With my message I seek to provide a perspective of what is - the situation might be tense, but the repercussions of changing in the wrong direction are severe. Not all Minmatar and Gallente may agree, but ultimately, we are not slavers, and we never will be.

Cyanios Talvanen wrote:
Thats not being an ally. Thats being busy declareing yourself superior just because others have a different culture and way of thinking.

Is invading federation space a better demonstration of how to be an ally? However, I will admit than in a way, you might be right. I am not impervious to a certain feeling of superiority, and it might have shown in my choice of words. However, I prefer to think of my message as being less blunt than simply telling our Minmatar friends to stop being terrible at politics and to for once consider what their actions might bring.

Sepherim wrote:
Just what was needed, another apologetic of the invasion of the Empire. Come with your friends, captain Fatalis, we're waiting for you. We have just kicked the Minmatarr out of most of the war zone, so we can devoid some time to showing you why it's a bad idea to invade amarrian space.

As fun as that sounds, I can assure you that if the Empire is to have anything to fear from me and my friends, you'll have to be the ones to strike the first blow.

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#9 - 2013-05-23 14:53:46 UTC
You seem crusty.

There are easier ways to get Rhinoplasty.

I'll hook you up for a price.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-23 15:11:25 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
Recent events have opened my eyes to the fact that there are very few government officials who have a mind for the subtlety and strategic thinking which government requires. Not only has Heth been acting like the madman he is, but even those the Federation trusted have shown that their grip on sanity is dominated by nothing more than instinctual rage. I trust there are still individuals out there capable of understanding the message I am about to convey.

While the Gallente militia recently adopted a more skeptical approach to their Minmatar allies after numerous reports of friendly fire, the Gallente Navy have wisely kept themselves from demanding retribution. They have shown themselves above petty demands for vengeance, but I can assure you all that this suppression of emotion is not as effective in all parts of Gallente space. There are already numerous people who wish for Gallentean retribution against the Republic, and they are likely to make themselves heard in the political arena.

The current situation is salvageable, and a common enemy at this time is likely to help strengthen the Gallente-Minmatar bond back to what it was. However, if the Minmatar launch another strike in Gallente space, no senator will risk the approval of the electorate by aiding the Minmatar, should the Amarr happen to launch a reclamation campaign while the Minmatar fleet is engaged elsewhere.

I would also like to point out to any Minmatar that might be reading that the Amarr already knew what I have said in this thread, and probably didn't need the reminder.


What a total bunch of twisted marantic gibberish?
Who the freck are you at all to call the greatest man of our time "mad"?
Are you his doctor? His commander? Or just another gallentean freak who have no slightest idea about what she is talking?

Remember: each time someone kills a gallentean, average IQ in our cluster rises!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Raven Solaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-23 15:33:37 UTC
I'm not sold on that last part, Mr. Kim, but I'll agree the idiocy in this "reminder" is palpable.

This drivel isn't directed towards the Empire at all, it's a "threat" aimed squarely at the Tribes.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#12 - 2013-05-23 15:33:49 UTC
While this is clearly one of the fringe lunatics, I wouldn't be surprised if the mainstream fedos would start echoing a similar sentiment. If I was of the Republic, I'd be really careful around my "allies" at this point. Wouldn't turn my back, or indeed any capitals or high value assets in their direction.

I don't think it's very popular among them that you Minnies have started figuring out their agenda.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2013-05-23 15:47:50 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
It's a simple psychological fact that people in emotional turmoil is the most likely to change.

Conjecture not taking into account a number of other factors that you place upon an entire few trillion people as opposed to one person. Your assumption is not fact.

Quote:
With my message I seek to provide a perspective of what is - the situation might be tense, but the repercussions of changing in the wrong direction are severe.

The only 'what is' here is what scenario is playing out in your mind based on a biased fantasy.

Quote:
Not all Minmatar and Gallente may agree, but ultimately, we are not slavers, and we never will be.

I honestly don't care what you are, aside from blatantly wrong in your assumptions and logical fallacies.



[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-23 15:58:41 UTC
Raven Solaris wrote:
I'm not sold on that last part, Mr. Kim, but I'll agree the idiocy in this "reminder" is palpable.

This drivel isn't directed towards the Empire at all, it's a "threat" aimed squarely at the Tribes.

Sir, I was referring to the first part of her message. Have you seen it? This gallentean wench dared to call our glorious Executor "madman"!!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-05-23 16:12:59 UTC
Raven Solaris wrote:
I'm not sold on that last part, Mr. Kim, but I'll agree the idiocy in this "reminder" is palpable.

This drivel isn't directed towards the Empire at all, it's a "threat" aimed squarely at the Tribes.


Well however you look at it this wasn't called for.... or needed.... at all.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-23 16:54:14 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:

It's a simple psychological fact that people in emotional turmoil is the most likely to change. With my message I seek to provide a perspective of what is - the situation might be tense, but the repercussions of changing in the wrong direction are severe. Not all Minmatar and Gallente may agree, but ultimately, we are not slavers, and we never will be.


First rule of peaceful diplomacy: keep "facts" to yourself. Stop rocking the shuttle.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-23 16:57:13 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Who the freck are you at all to call the greatest man of our time "mad"?

To recover from madness, one must first acknowledge it exists.

Like I will, if those calling me delusional can point to a senator who is more fond of peace than of his position in senate. If they can show me that I was hallucinating during the Minmatar attack, the friendly fire of their militia, and the reactions of the Gallentean public.

You may consider me fringe, yet I have not spoken of what I wish, only of what I fear will be. When the first Naglfar opened fire, I feared war was already upon us - and I'm both pleased and surprised to see I have been wrong thus far. However, considering the Fleet did not succeed in their mission, I simply wish to dissuade them from trying again by pointing out the repercussions. If it turns out my reminder was unnecessary, so much for the better.

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#18 - 2013-05-23 18:28:06 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Who the freck are you at all to call the greatest man of our time "mad"?

To recover from madness, one must first acknowledge it exists.

Like I will, if those calling me delusional can point to a senator who is more fond of peace than of his position in senate. If they can show me that I was hallucinating during the Minmatar attack, the friendly fire of their militia, and the reactions of the Gallentean public.

You may consider me fringe, yet I have not spoken of what I wish, only of what I fear will be. When the first Naglfar opened fire, I feared war was already upon us - and I'm both pleased and surprised to see I have been wrong thus far. However, considering the Fleet did not succeed in their mission, I simply wish to dissuade them from trying again by pointing out the repercussions. If it turns out my reminder was unnecessary, so much for the better.


If you were actually doing what you are now trying to claim you were doing, you would not have directed this thread at the Amarr.

What you have done with this thread is essentially say how much you hope the Amarr will take advantage of the situation and get us out of "your" hair forever. You try to veil it in poor attempts at sounding "concerned" for your "allies," but it's very clear you feel nothing positive about the Republic or the Matari and merely want us gone.
Anslo
Scope Works
#19 - 2013-05-23 18:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
Like I will, if those calling me delusional can point to a senator who is more fond of peace than of his position in senate. If they can show me that I was hallucinating during the Minmatar attack, the friendly fire of their militia, and the reactions of the Gallentean public.


And we will stop calling you delusional if you can point to evidence that the Minmatar would attempt to invade the Federation based on a single (admittedly horrible) event despite multiple, more positive events, occurring between our people. If you can how us that every single house within the Empire would attempt a strike when their own house isn't in order. If you can show why the Federation would forgo it's only ally (guns are guns if they point at your enemy, doesn't matter who points) because of one tragedy and risk facing both the State and Empire, with an absorbed Republic, in a major war.

Also do you know the agenda and platform of every Senator? How do you know they'd take a war? How do you know what the majority of voters want? How do you know how they'll behave? Do you have sentiment data and predictive future trends? Facts? Evidence?

Well?

Quote:
You may consider me fringe, yet I have not spoken of what I wish, only of what I fear will be. When the first Naglfar opened fire, I feared war was already upon us - and I'm both pleased and surprised to see I have been wrong thus far. However, considering the Fleet did not succeed in their mission, I simply wish to dissuade them from trying again by pointing out the repercussions. If it turns out my reminder was unnecessary, so much for the better.


So your method of dissuade is threaten them on behalf of a government without being a representative? You nationalists get more ballsy by the day. You ever heard of Occam's razor? It states that, among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. So, which hypothesis has the fewest assumptions?

1) The Minmatar may likely invade the Federation full force and the Federation won't help the Minmatar when another invasion is launched by an opportunistic Amarr and then loose its one ally to face the State and Empire solo.

2) The Minmatar and Federation will continue diplomacy and talks and, IF either group is invaded, will put aside current heated issues and kick the crap out of the invading force as we have done for years.

Well?

Exactly.

So before you start spewing crap and assumptions, make sure its your own opinion and don't sweep the rest of us Federals into your grandiose generalizations.

In other words; check yourself before you wreck yourself, *****.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#20 - 2013-05-23 18:52:18 UTC
Elections aren't until the end of next year, I doubt the Senators are worried too much about the popular vote right now.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

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