These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Out of Pod Experience

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Need Help to Build a New PC for Eve-online

Author
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#41 - 2013-05-16 19:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Col O'Nells wrote:
Thx Akita For ur setup Big smile

So base on ur setup:

Intel Core i5-3350P or Intel Core i5-3330
Asrock Motherboard Socket LGA1155 [Z77 PRO3] or Asrock Motherboard Socket LGA1155 [H77M]
Gskill Memory PC 2x 4GB DDR3 PC-12800 [Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL]
Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-1GD5]
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB [WD5000AAKX] or Seagate Barracuda 500GB
Powerlogic Middle Tower Modena [GTX2000] - Black


For memory its 8 GB or 16 GB in total? "Affordable dual-channel 8 GB kit, CL9@1600"

So if i wanna upgrade (Processor and Video Card) in a couple years, can i still using the MOBO, If i pick Z77?

And if i wait to bought in one or two month from now, its any much different from above setup? Cos, if the different is big i will wait for one or two month Big smile and my budget can go to 7~8 million rupiah.


8 GB, 2x4 kit.

You'll need a brand new mobo with the new CPU.
With intel, lately, each generation of processors (1yr) needs a new type of motherboard for full functionality, and every other generation (2yrs) requires a brand new motherboard type. It's a bit better (but not a lot) for AMD.

What you can get for a higher budget a bit later on, depends on what will be available and at what price in your area.
As you can see, that primary site has a very poor selection for some types of components (like AMD processors, for instance) which MIGHT be available on other sites (or on order from local retailers), and some components (like video cards) have an insanely high markup compared to most of the other components.

It's pretty hard to try and fit the budget with such a thin selection of alternatives and such outrageous prices for some components.
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#42 - 2013-05-21 09:19:53 UTC
ok im gonna build base on ur setup, thx Akita T Big smile
xarjin
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#43 - 2013-05-21 22:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
Col O'Nells wrote:

Processor – AMD


Wouldn't dare buy one even if someone threatened me with electrified nipple clamps Big smile

Any knowledgeable self respecting gamer buys an intel processor. AMD makes great throwaway pc's that under perform and leave owners quickly disappointed.

As a network systems engineer with a conscience I had to share that little tirade.
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#44 - 2013-05-22 11:48:53 UTC
lol...cant find it "Intel Core i5-3350P"
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#45 - 2013-05-22 14:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Col O'Nells wrote:
lol...cant find it "Intel Core i5-3350P"

Told you it would be pretty hard to find.
The 3330 will do just fine too.

xarjin wrote:
Any knowledgeable self respecting gamer buys an intel processor. AMD makes great throwaway pc's that under perform and leave owners quickly disappointed.

Depends on what you want to play, and what else you want to be doing while playing (i.e. if you plan to stream video of you playing, AMD might actually be an ever slightly better choice than usual).
A LOT of games nowadays are far more GPU-bound than CPU-bound, so what use is getting a very expensive processor that's going to sit at 25%-35% CPU usage, when you could buy one at less than half the price and use it at around 80-90% ?
EDIT: if power usage//cost is a big concern, and you will be using it heavily, then the intel might just about break even overall in a few years.
And if you're worried about future-proofing, meh, just buy a new one in 2-3 years instead of hanging on to the more expensive one 5-7 years.

Personally, I grew tired of AMD and have used Intel almost exclusively for my own desktops in the past decade, but I've had enough people close to me that got various AMD CPUs in their machines, and it doesn't appear to be quite such a big deal for the games we usually play.
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#46 - 2013-05-23 09:21:54 UTC
@Akita T

What the difference between :

Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-1GD5] => 1.8 Million (1 GB)
and
Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-2GD5] => 2.1 Million (2 GB)


So which one i should bought? Thx Big smile
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#47 - 2013-05-23 09:31:25 UTC
Here the final setup im gonna purchase:

Intel Core i5-3330 (Cant find 3350P)

Asrock Motherboard Socket LGA1155 [Z77 PRO3]

Memory V-Gen 4GB DDR3 (4 Pcs - 16GB) (305.000 each) => Should i bought 8GB, 12GB or 16GB?

Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-1GD5] or Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-2GD5] => Which one i should bought?

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB [WD5000AAKX]

Powerlogic Middle Tower Modena [GTX2000] – Black


Total 6.650.000 (1GB Video Card) => 6.950.000 (2GB Video Card). The difference only 300.000 rupiah between 1GB and 2 GB, and for memory it 16GB Memory.
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#48 - 2013-05-23 09:32:22 UTC
Col O'Nells wrote:
Here the final setup im gonna purchase:

Intel Core i5-3330 (Cant find 3350P)

Asrock Motherboard Socket LGA1155 [Z77 PRO3]

Memory V-Gen 4GB DDR3 (4 Pcs - 16GB) (305.000 each) => Should i bought 8GB, 12GB or 16GB?

Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-1GD5] or Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-2GD5] => Which one i should bought?

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB [WD5000AAKX]

Powerlogic Middle Tower Modena [GTX2000] – Black


Total 6.650.000 (1GB Video Card) => 6.950.000 (2GB Video Card). The difference only 300.000 rupiah between 1GB and 2 GB, and for memory it 16GB Memory.



What do u think Akita T.....thx for helping me Big smile
JetCord
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-05-23 11:49:41 UTC
get a SSD for your OS and eve installation folder - i use the normal HDD for other stuff non eve related
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#50 - 2013-05-23 12:28:16 UTC
JetCord wrote:
get a SSD for your OS and eve installation folder - i use the normal HDD for other stuff non eve related



SSD....what its that?
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#51 - 2013-05-23 12:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
@Jetcord

He can't really afford a SSD on his already tight budget (probably not even a 40GB one for SSD cache), but it's a great later add-on (with a bit of extra hassle to migrate or fresh install the OS if he uses it as a standalone drive).


@Col O'Nells

SSD

SSD = solid state drive (basically sort of a much, much faster, quite small capacity, and fairly expensive HDD-like device with no moving parts).
Think booting in 1/3 to 1/4 of your usual time, and loading anything placed on it crazy fast, especially great when you have to handle a whole lot of small files at the same time (such as it usually happens when you load anything, from a game, an app, or the OS).
You really want AT LEAST a 80GB SSD (preferably 120GB or even 160 GB) if you plan to use it as a standalone OS+games drive, or alternatively, you can get a smaller 40-60 GB one and use the "SSD cache" option in the motherboard bios to use that SSD as a very large cache for your standard HDD, experiencing SSD-like performance for stuff you use frequently (but only frequently used stuff, and only on at least the second load ever - peak performance is only reached after several loads in "typical" usage patterns).
They also have a tendency to wear out a lot faster than HDDs, especially if you use small ones at near-full capacity (for instance, if you get a small one and also keep your swap file on it, with a small total RAM size and frequent swap file activity, it has a worryingly high chance of croaking in under 5 years, and a non-negligible one of croaking even sooner).
The larger it is, and the less used it is, the longer it has a good chance to last. It's a lot better these days as it was for the first couple of generations, the tech has evolved a lot lately.

VIDEO

I'd say get the 2GB video card. The price difference is fairly small, but overall medium-term performance (especially if you ever plan to use more than just one monitor) looks much better.

RAM

2x4 = 8 GB of standard RAM should be enough for now, to spare your budget.
You can always add two 4gb chips more to get to 16 gb total later on.

Just check to make sure the RAM you buy is dual channel capable (it usually gets only sold in pairs, not on a per-chip basis) ; there are a few (usually slightly cheaper) RAM chips that lack dual channel support and only work in single channel mode (and those are usually sold on a piece-by-piece basis ; although, that's not necessarily a guarantee they're single channel mode).
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#52 - 2013-05-23 12:51:19 UTC
Hey Akita,

If i wanna get SSD and budget 2 million for SSD only, which SSD i should bought.


So i cant use Memory V-Gen 4GB DDR3, cos i sell per pcs?
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#53 - 2013-05-23 13:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Col O'Nells wrote:
If i wanna get SSD and budget 2 million for SSD only, which SSD i should bought.

Depends what you want to use it for - standalone drive or as SSD cache (i.e. enable "Smart Response Technology" on the Z77 mobo).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Response_Technology (not available on all mobo, just some from Z68 and later ; Z77 has it)

If you want it to be a standalone drive (put your OS, apps and games on it), get the largest one you can find within your budget, with very little care about what make it is, the extra capacity more than makes up for lowered reliability.
If you can't get at least a 120 GB one, consider skipping it altogether for now, think about it later.
Only leave the swap file on it if it's over 160 GB.
ALWAYS try to leave at least 20 GB unoccupied, preferably more.
Something like this might just barely be within the target budget:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249033
or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148443
-> 256GB MLC SSDs, ~200$ either

If you want it to be a SSD cache drive, get the most reliable 40-60GB one you can find (usually intel has the most reliable ones, but they're also the most expensive).
IF at all possible (probably not for that budget), try to get a SLC SSD (not a MLC SSD, like most on the market), those have a much longer lifespan.
This COULD work (even if a bit small for my taste), if you can find something like this around you :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167063 -> 20GB SLC SSD, ~120$
If not, something like this will do fine :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167152 -> 60GB MLC SSD, ~110$


Col O'Nells wrote:
So i cant use Memory V-Gen 4GB DDR3, cos i sell per pcs?

You need to link the exact specs to tell for sure, but there's a possibility that it's single channel only (so no good for you).
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#54 - 2013-05-23 13:50:00 UTC
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#55 - 2013-05-23 13:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
See edits above.

For that RAM chip, it does not say, so there's a good chance it might be single channel.
Get another one that says specifically dual channel.

Something, like, say, this one:
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00911212/team_memory_pc_2x_4gb_ddr3_pc-12800__elite_ted38gm1600hc11dc01_.aspx
It's actually cheaper than the one you linked on a per-chip basis, and also faster.
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#56 - 2013-05-23 14:00:08 UTC
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#57 - 2013-05-23 14:04:19 UTC
Akita T wrote:
See edits above.

For that RAM chip, it does not say, so there's a good chance it might be single channel.
Get another one that says specifically dual channel.

Something, like, say, this one:
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00911212/team_memory_pc_2x_4gb_ddr3_pc-12800__elite_ted38gm1600hc11dc01_.aspx
It's actually cheaper than the one you linked on a per-chip basis, and also faster.



I will try to find => http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00211933/gskill_memory_pc_2x_4gb_ddr3_pc-12800__ripjaws_f3-12800cl9d-8gbrl_.aspx then Big smile
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#58 - 2013-05-23 14:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Yeah, 240GB is more than enough, but quite a bit above your stated budget.
Also, fairy expensive for its size (almost 50% more expensive than similar ones on newegg after currency conversion).
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#59 - 2013-05-23 14:12:56 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Yeah, 240GB is more than enough, but quite a bit above your stated budget.
Also, fairy expensive for its size (almost 50% more expensive than similar ones on newegg after currency conversion).



what!!! 50% more expensive Cry Guess i have to bought in oz then Cry
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#60 - 2013-05-23 14:14:50 UTC
As I look more at available options, seems like SSDs suffer from the same "syndrome" as video cards in Indonesia, an inexplicable huge markup all across the board.