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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-05-21 11:16:23 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Dramiel with ECM drones Ugh


I would totally hit that because it looks like a new player.


actually yeah, if a dramiel came at me with ecm drones I'd probably go for it too XD

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-05-21 15:52:14 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Nobody in their right mind would bother engaging a dramiel unless they landed on it at 0 and it was sitting still.



I go for Dramiels in my Incursus..

So does pretty much everyone i fly with.. There is a lot of TERRIBLE dramiels out there.


I think net total time i've seen a dramiel on grid is probably under 5 minutes.


Thats because dramiel pilots tend to be risk adverse assholes ^^

You see them less and less these days though.. I've only fought one in over a month and that bugger got out in low armor.

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Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
#23 - 2013-05-21 22:34:52 UTC
I'd engage a Dramiel simply because it's a Dramiel and why not. Lots of them die easily.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#24 - 2013-05-21 23:39:03 UTC
OP, your corp name is lacking an apostrophe

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#25 - 2013-05-22 00:29:45 UTC
Hells (noun, plural)
Mark (verb, plural, present tense)

...admittedly missing a direct object, but a sentence none the less. We are describing the action of multiple hells in the sense that they mark.

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-05-22 08:04:45 UTC
I have to agree that a dram doesn't make very good "bait" in the classic sense of the word. Folks will largely either stay clear of you. And those that do engage will likely have you countered somehow and dead before your worm can arrive.

I personally only fly dram in fleet/gangs where I can dart in and out of the brawl fast enough to not get cooked too badly. It is an interceptor after all. Make the initial snag and then pass out off to the heavy tackle ;) then get range from the rest of the gang of targets before they can burn you down. Then be ready to snag someone else if/when they start to break for it.

Since the T1 frigs got buffed the window for engagement has narrowed down to where the T1s will out perform in a number of cases.
STSxLight
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#27 - 2013-05-22 08:19:44 UTC
you wont get good fights in a dram, people will run away, the ones who dont will already know your fit and will kill you :) start with cheap stuff and fight in FW sistems GL :)

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Benny Artrald
BlackCore Override
#28 - 2013-05-22 20:21:24 UTC
Thanks for the advice. I'm not the most veteran of players so I appreciate what I can get. And I didn't make the name of the Corp. But thanks to those few English teachers out there. I'll make sure to let my CEO know he has to attend third grade again.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2013-05-23 10:50:55 UTC
Do people still fly Dramiels? I'll be honest, I've literally seen a Dram like once in the last month, and he didn't take a fight vs my Firetail. I literally don't even know how they're fit anymore, as the "standard" dramiel fitting was allegedly obsolete after the nerf a while back?

Actually, anybody know how to properly fit a dramiel? I kinda of want to fly one now. I need a change of pace.

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Cable Udan
Balls Deep Inc.
#30 - 2013-05-23 12:08:10 UTC
Garresh wrote:
Do people still fly Dramiels? I'll be honest, I've literally seen a Dram like once in the last month, and he didn't take a fight vs my Firetail. I literally don't even know how they're fit anymore, as the "standard" dramiel fitting was allegedly obsolete after the nerf a while back?

Actually, anybody know how to properly fit a dramiel? I kinda of want to fly one now. I need a change of pace.


I've not seen a Dramiel for ages, probably about once a month, same as you. Even then it ran from my Merlin which made me sad panda.

As for properly fitting them, I've just thrown this together in pyfa: It's the old-school dual prop fit but dumbed down so it fits:

[Dramiel, dual prop cheap]

Internal Force Field Array I
Gyrostabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[Empty High Slot]
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S


Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I


Warrior II x3
Warrior II x1

All V Stats:

EHP 6.5k
38/29/47/55
Cap stable at 47% with MWD, 83% with AB

MWD: 4293/6152
AB: 1579/2081

Guns: 151/173
With drones: 199/222



I suppose it works. Might dust off my Dramiel when I get back from Afghan, though I've heard the semi-pimped armour fit still works post-nerf.

- Cable
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