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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Gallente Talos

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Adamus Gerrard
Gerrard Industrial
#241 - 2011-11-02 01:32:55 UTC
Here's my two cents. I see the tornado. Why is it lookin' somewhat like a backwards Myrmidon? And how is it different than fillin' up a Myrm's top slots with 720's? All DPS and no tank is any top-heavy BC. I don't see the sense in slightly expanding on this principle, as anyone can under-tank any ship for more DPS...
Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
#242 - 2011-11-02 08:40:19 UTC
So, according to latest chaos dump, they took away its web bonus for a tracking bonus.
Cheap glass cannon megathron with no cpu to fit neutrons anyone? Lol

And all tier 3 bcs got their hp and fitting nerfed. All except minmatar one are stripped of sweet bonuses
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#243 - 2011-11-02 14:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Schmell wrote:
So, according to latest chaos dump, they took away its web bonus for a tracking bonus.
Cheap glass cannon megathron with no cpu to fit neutrons anyone? Lol

And all tier 3 bcs got their hp and fitting nerfed. All except minmatar one are stripped of sweet bonuses


Seen this. Not really sure what you hope to archive CCP, but you basically striped it off it's only feature that saved it from being just another gallente ship that is vastly outclassed by his counterparts(except the naga) and not worth flying on TQ.

Btw, the changes to the Oracle are also pretty bad, turning the design that focused on range, speed and kitting without out ganking the harbinger into a damage + cap bonus design won't work since the BS can do this miles better. Heck it can't even relay on speed anymore with the new speed and mass values given that it loses tons of speed by fitting a armor buffer.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#244 - 2011-11-02 16:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Now that I’ve seen all the new BC’s i can safely say i think the Talos is the worst looking ship. I really hope they tweak it to make it look more “Gallente”.

The Amarr ship on the other hand looks awesome and may even be the best looking ship in the game. Nice work.
Machti Nutako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2011-11-02 22:49:21 UTC
Schmell wrote:
So, according to latest chaos dump, they took away its web bonus for a tracking bonus.
Cheap glass cannon megathron with no cpu to fit neutrons anyone? Lol

And all tier 3 bcs got their hp and fitting nerfed. All except minmatar one are stripped of sweet bonuses



So instead of taking player advice, being give the talos better speed for its web bonus, and give it more ehp, ccp did the opposite? What is wrong? Player advice is the best advice IMO, and now im set on NOT getting a talos.
Junky Juke
Atom Heart Mothership
#246 - 2011-11-03 09:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Junky Juke
Fact: CCP has transcendental problems with Gallente race, they seem to constantly prevent Gallente community's requests and they have the presumption to solve all the Gal's issues on their own. AGAIN.

Hope: CCP will cut that orrible outgrowth out of Talos' nose, CCP will give it more speed, CCP will give it more armor HP, Talos will be a GALLENTE ship Blink

Beware guys, Talos is going to become the worst of the four BC's, you are still in time...
David Xavier
The Capsuleers of Unconscious Thought
#247 - 2011-11-03 10:16:01 UTC
Seeing the 2nd part of the art blog they don't give a damn about our request to do something with the freaking NOSE of the ship (that wedge has to go or make it shorter, thicker and more roundish)

Texturing it will not help.

Whoever is responsible for the decision of using that model should be dipped into a barrel of rotten tomatoes.

I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy it !

White Flow
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#248 - 2011-11-03 10:22:38 UTC


Love it, very SXY!!!!

Can't wait to see the finished Ship!!!!


Big smile
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#249 - 2011-11-03 10:53:09 UTC
Naomi Wildfire wrote:
Also Blaster Spec V .. 14D left, lets give it a try


You should spend that time training something useful Lol

Just an advice Blink
Junky Juke
Atom Heart Mothership
#250 - 2011-11-03 11:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Junky Juke
David Xavier wrote:
Seeing the 2nd part of the art blog they don't give a damn about our request to do something with the freaking NOSE of the ship (that wedge has to go or make it shorter, thicker and more roundish)

Texturing it will not help.


They will not listen to us, they're Amarr fans, they like to see us uncomfortable in our ships, still did you not understand? Bear
Anyway I will use that wedge to cut off their hands, so they will not do such a disaster in the next ship design phase Blink


David Xavier wrote:

Whoever is responsible for the decision of using that model should be dipped into a barrel of rotten tomatoes.


And eat them one by one Cool

I can't understand why they changed the so sexy Seraphim's design to this shame. Cry
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#251 - 2011-11-03 11:13:33 UTC
Wow it rly looks next gen and badass.

Dont get me wrong i LOVE this model however it does'nt fit current Gallente ship concept.

Typical gallente ship has massive front end and gets thinner in the tail section (Erebus,Dominix, Brutix)

But still there is no way i cant love look of this thing:)
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#252 - 2011-11-03 11:58:16 UTC
Junky Juke wrote:
Fact: CCP has transcendental problems with Gallente race, they seem to constantly prevent Gallente community's requests and they have the presumption to solve all the Gal's issues on their own. AGAIN.

Hope: CCP will cut that orrible outgrowth out of Talos' nose, CCP will give it more speed, CCP will give it more armor HP, Talos will be a GALLENTE ship Blink

Beware guys, Talos is going to become the worst of the four BC's, you are still in time...


Why would it need more EHP? It's supposed to be a BC that can deal BS damage. If you want a ship with BS dps and a BS tank, get a BS.

CCP just need to make sure it does with damage considering it's range limit.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2011-11-03 13:09:07 UTC
You took away the web bonus?

Really, CCP?

Now I'll never use this ship.

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#254 - 2011-11-03 16:25:16 UTC
CCP, let me just ask -
Is it some kind of explicit goal for your design team to have the entire playerbase flying Minmatar and Amarr?

The Oracle and Tornado are already looking like blob-friendly pwnmobiles, then the Talos gets pre-nerfed and the Naga... don't even get me started on that pile of fail.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#255 - 2011-11-03 17:31:28 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
CCP, let me just ask -
Is it some kind of explicit goal for your design team to have the entire playerbase flying Minmatar and Amarr?

The Oracle and Tornado are already looking like blob-friendly pwnmobiles, then the Talos gets pre-nerfed and the Naga... don't even get me started on that pile of fail.


Well the way I see it we'll have another unpleasant hard to fit low dps slow Gallente brick ship just good for gank with meta guns.

Amarr/Minmatar will continue the domination at each possible role/situation, Caldari will have the Drake Mark II with weak tank but spiting torps over 60km with a very nice ROF.

Nothing is official so all we can do is spec on with actual information but the obvious projectiles buff tends to make me believe that at the end of all this hybrids and ships using them will be at the same point has today.
I like and trust CCP Tallest ability to figure what's going wrong and how to fix it but not sure at all he will be able to.
Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2011-11-03 22:58:32 UTC
Den Sethos wrote:
Think of those new ships as WW2 tank-destroyers: a very powerful cannon for their size, with weak armour. The goal is to one-shoot their adversaries. If they get hit, they are toast.


Except they wont one-shot anything. Cruiser size and below will use their speed/sig tank to take this out before it kills them (maybe this will be able to take out cruiser with that tracking bonus), BS's will own them because of their superior tank with the same DPS. Maybe the talos could go up against another BC but thats about it.

Honestly these BC's scream mobil sniper platform, yet we all know how rails perform in sniping. Tornado and Oracle Will be vastly superior. Paper thin tank on a close range brawler...Shocked save your time and just autodestruct on undock.
Chance Harper
Doomheim
#257 - 2011-11-04 13:25:52 UTC
well idk what issue you guys have with the design of the ship. Design is question of taste, some like it, some not. Point is, the ship will do its job the way it is meant. Btw, the amarr ship looks way worse.. looks like a frig.
Cal Kashuken
Doomheim
#258 - 2011-11-04 13:29:00 UTC
Hahaha the Talos is going to suck hard like the rest of fail Gallente
David Xavier
The Capsuleers of Unconscious Thought
#259 - 2011-11-04 16:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: David Xavier
Chance Harper wrote:
well idk what issue you guys have with the design of the ship. Design is question of taste, some like it, some not. Point is, the ship will do its job the way it is meant. Btw, the amarr ship looks way worse.. looks like a frig.


The original model the Talos was based on looks good and fitting for an ORE destroyer it was intended to.

Now if you look at the other Gallente ships they are about the curves, while the stern of the Talos looks good, the nose of the ship looks like half barrels nailed to the top a board whose end was cut down in a 30 degree incline.

I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy it !

David Xavier
The Capsuleers of Unconscious Thought
#260 - 2011-11-04 16:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: David Xavier
*DP, delete this please*

I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy it !