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License Agreement Update The end of multiboxing?

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Pakokkie
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2013-05-22 19:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pakokkie
If I read this part of the licence agreement update right then you can only run one account per computer.

********************************************************************************************************************
YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software (you may do this by purchasing and downloading the Software from CCP at the EVE Online web site, http://www.eveonline.com.
********************************************************************************************************************

Do I need to install more copies to run two or more clients?
Do I get banned if I run two accounts and have only one copy installed?
Can I report people that run multiple accounts?
Since CCP changed this overnight and I have run two clients for over 5 years can I have my money back?

Just some questions that entered my brain when i read the license agreement update.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-22 19:18:29 UTC
Oh please not another one of these horrible posts. NB4L

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-05-22 19:20:54 UTC
Pakokkie wrote:
If I read this part of the licence agreement update right then you can only run one account per computer.

********************************************************************************************************************
YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software (you may do this by purchasing and downloading the Software from CCP at the EVE Online web site, http://www.eveonline.com.
********************************************************************************************************************

Do I need to install more copies to run two or more clients?
Do I get banned if I run two accounts and have only one copy installed?
Can I report people that run multiple accounts?

Just some questions that entered my brain when i read the license agreement update.


That's been on there since ever. A subscribed account is a "license" to my knowledge.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2013-05-22 19:21:36 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Oh please not another one of these horrible posts. NB4L



But this chicken still has a few feathers left! It could be violated a couple more times maybe at least.





There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-22 19:22:16 UTC
Each account subscription constitutes a licence. Multi Boxing is safe.
I recommend you work on your reading comprehension.

That part is just a generic inclusion anyways.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-05-22 19:23:40 UTC
http://picardfacepalm.com/

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#7 - 2013-05-22 19:24:10 UTC
This is NEWS... nobody has ever copied that part of the EULA before.

Now with 100% less Troll.

Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-22 19:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
An account is a license, genius.

2 accounts, 2 licenses, &c.

Roll

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.

Pakokkie
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2013-05-22 19:29:23 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
An account is a license, genius.

2 accounts, 2 licenses, &c.

Roll



If an account = license then that is the part which got me confused.

But in my experience a license is somewhat different than an account.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#10 - 2013-05-22 19:31:26 UTC
Its always nice when a characters portrait is as derpy as their OP

Not today spaghetti.

Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
#11 - 2013-05-22 19:32:46 UTC
you can come off the ledge now.

multi-boxing is a mainstay of this game; there's no way would CCP prohibit this type of gameplay.
Danni stark
#12 - 2013-05-22 19:33:04 UTC
oh look, more stupidity about multiboxing.

can we get locks and bans for people making yet more redundant and duplicate threads? it's less constructive than trolling, at least trolls are moderately amusing.
Sabotaged
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-23 04:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Ok, a simple search on Google will reveal the EULA is a cookie cutter template.



Thank you for your interest in EVE, interactive online game ("EVE" or the "Game"). EVE is offered by CCP hf.

Thank you for your interest in the Fantasy Blackjack™, Smartphone App and/or interactive online game ("FBJ" or the "Game"). FBJ is offered by Alchemy3, LLC

Thank you for your interest in Mobile Weapon: The Journey Begins™, interactive PC game ("Mobile Weapon: The Journey Begins ™" or the "Game"). Mobile Weapon: The Journey Begins™ is developed by TYLER Projects

Thankyou for your interest in Squidwolf Syndicate, Internet-based services ("Squidwolf" or the "Empire"). Squidwolf is offered as service managed by Project: Hazel



(iii) obtain and maintain your own Internet access (Internet access is required to play EVE; CCP is not responsible for your access to the Internet)

(iii) obtain and maintain your own Internet access (Internet access is required to play FBJ; A3 is not responsible for your access to the Internet)

(ii) obtain and maintain your own Internet access (Internet access is required to use some features of the Game. TYLER is not responsible for your access to the Internet)

(iii) obtain and maintain your own Internet access (Internet access is required to use Squidwolf Syndicate services; neither Squidwolf Syndicate or Project: Hazel are responsible for your access to the Internet);



You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you.

You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but A3 may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you.

You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but TYLER may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you.

You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but Squidwolf Syndicate may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you.

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http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
http://www.2ndchancedraw.com/fbj/ok/terms.html
http://www.mobileweapon.net/ep1/agreement.html
http://squidwolf.com/TandC/EULA.html
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-05-23 05:02:11 UTC
You are a complete and utter moron. Try actually reading what it says.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-05-23 05:17:46 UTC
No. The legalese just means you must pay for each account. You must purchase an account to continue playing using either real-world money or PLEX.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Ngaio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-28 00:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ngaio
The OP was a legit question, and one that should be answered properly. The amount of attack this guy got from your bunch is simply ridiculous, including insults. If you have nothing helpful to state, only insult then just keep your hole shut, and moan somewhere else.

To be clear:

Copy of Software = one installation
License = Permission to run a "Copy of Software".
EULA states:
1. One (1) account per Copy of the Software licensed
2. Another account - purchase another license = another copy of the software

Result: One needs two installations (2 Copies of Software) to run two accounts (licenses).

The wording is clearly a copy and paste of another license, with small changes to adjust for Accounts. It is clearly misleading. CCP should pay more attention to that part.

Furthermore:
If you look into LICENSE section, A:

A. Software License

Subject to the terms of the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the Software and its accompanying documentation solely in connection with accessing the System in order to play EVE using a single valid Account.

For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. You must purchase a separate license to the Software for each additional Account you register; e.g., if you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
"You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is it clear now ???

The launcher supports account switching, so it clearly has been missed in the EULA.
GreenSeed
#17 - 2013-05-28 00:23:56 UTC
that part of the EULA is the reason you cant have an account and then create a trial and log in with it. the trial client will return an error.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-28 00:35:44 UTC
OP doesn't seem to understand the difference between a PC, Account and License. If he is as dumb as his avatar looks then I can understand why.

On the other hand, I am not exactly sure how I would go about registering another account with the same license.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2013-05-28 02:06:20 UTC
Pakokkie wrote:

Do I need to install more copies to run two or more clients?
Do I get banned if I run two accounts and have only one copy installed?
Can I report people that run multiple accounts?
Since CCP changed this overnight and I have run two clients for over 5 years can I have my money back?
No. No. No. No, and no. In roughly that order.
Fernando MRuiz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-28 02:26:06 UTC
Ngaio wrote:
The OP was a legit question, and one that should be answered properly. The amount of attack this guy got from your bunch is simply ridiculous, including insults. If you have nothing helpful to state, only insult then just keep your hole shut, and moan somewhere else.

To be clear:

Copy of Software = one installation
License = Permission to run a "Copy of Software".
EULA states:
1. One (1) account per Copy of the Software licensed
2. Another account - purchase another license = another copy of the software

Result: One needs two installations (2 Copies of Software) to run two accounts (licenses).

The wording is clearly a copy and paste of another license, with small changes to adjust for Accounts. It is clearly misleading. CCP should pay more attention to that part.

Furthermore:
If you look into LICENSE section, A:

A. Software License

Subject to the terms of the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the Software and its accompanying documentation solely in connection with accessing the System in order to play EVE using a single valid Account.

For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. You must purchase a separate license to the Software for each additional Account you register; e.g., if you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
"You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is it clear now ???

The launcher supports account switching, so it clearly has been missed in the EULA.


And there's the key phrase in that batch of EULA quoting: 'You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software.' While earlier in that paragraph it stated that the client can be installed on another computer for each licensed copy you own, programs like the ever-popular ISBoxer (yesssss, feed into the haaaaate) are apparently designed to handle multiple running clients on a single machine. The real question is whether or not multiple clients on one computer with ISBoxer counts as a copy of the client itself, or as using a single client on one machine.

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