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Layman building a PC - would like some feedback

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Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#1 - 2011-11-04 01:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Berendas
Hey all, I have made up my mind to build myself a new gaming machine for a lot of the fall/winter releases that I am looking forward to. I have never build a custom machine before but I have a few friends who have and they have lent me their advice on the subject, but I am looking for some more opinions. Below I have put together a list of parts that fits close to my budget of ~$1000 and I would greatly appreciate any feedback on it. If you notice any compatibility errors or conflicts with EVE or other big titles if they exist, or if you have any other concerns please by all means tell me. I am very new at this and a lot of the jargon goes over my head so use layman terms please Lol


Case - Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower

[Updated] Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX

[Updated] Processor - Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W

[Updated] Graphics - MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP

[Updated] RAM - Patriot G series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

Hard Drive - Seagate Constellation 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

[Updated] Power Supply - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS

Wireless - ASUS PCE-N15 PCI Express 300/300 Mbps Wireless Adapter


Most of the part descriptions probably contain more than necessary so I have included links to each part. Thanks in advance for your feedback Big smile
Luninuas
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-04 02:48:58 UTC
Make sure to attach an autotargeting gigawatt laser to the top, great for any vermin wandering your room, unfortunately, every time it fires your cities power will go out as it draws all of the power, worth it though.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#3 - 2011-11-04 02:50:32 UTC
Luninuas wrote:
Make sure to attach an autotargeting gigawatt laser to the top, great for any vermin wandering your room, unfortunately, every time it fires your cities power will go out as it draws all of the power, worth it though.



I was actually planning on a mega pulse laser What?
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#4 - 2011-11-04 04:04:59 UTC
First, let me say, it is will worth it to build your own system Have fun and good luck. Also, be sure to take your time and read the manuals, or at least use them as a reference guide.

As I have no experience with Sparkle video cards, I can't say anything good or bad about them. But I'll just say that I personally recommend EVGA cards as I've had no issues with them.

Otherwise I can't find any fault with your planned build.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Cherry Nobyl
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-04 04:22:20 UTC
just a thought and a question:

what operating system are you planning to use with this new build?

have you considered a solid state drive? such as this


Remarka Belle Locus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-04 04:46:24 UTC
Looks solid enough to me, except the video card. A friend bought a sparkle card a while back, it died 3 months later. I recommend EVGA or Gigabyte. I have had great experience with both brands.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#7 - 2011-11-04 04:47:54 UTC
Quote:
Case - Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
OK

Motherboard - ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
OK

Processor - Intel Core i5-2400 3.3 GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad Core Processor
I would spend a few dollars more for the 2500k, its unlocked so you can push the overclock

Graphics - SPARKLE GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
I do not like sparkle, they make cheap cards for a pricepoint, try the MSI, Asus EVGA or PNY one

RAM - Patriot Viper Xtreme 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
OK

Hard Drive - Seagate Constellation 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
OK

Power Supply - hec XP1080 800W Continuous @ 40°C Modular Power Supply
too much power for what you are doing, get a 600W corsair enthusiast series

Wireless - ASUS PCE-N15 PCI Express 300/300 Mbps Wireless Adapter
OK but make sure you get win7 64 bit so the divers are cooperative

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Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#8 - 2011-11-04 05:15:35 UTC
Thanks for the feedback guys. There seems to be a lot of hate towards Sparkle, so I'll definitely take another look at some cards. The reason I chose that one first was because it was a pretty cheap 2GB 256bit card, but I guess you get what you pay for. As for my OS, I was going to go with Windows 7 64 bit, as I have a spare copy.

If anyone else notices anything please let me know Smile
Sebero Sinak
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-04 08:41:10 UTC
When you cobble together your own system you run into unforseen problems - like programing the bios. That was my scary one.

I didn't know crap about programming a bios, but by reading online and making a call to a small pc repair shop i gained the confidence to do it. It may not be optimized but it works.

My point is you will have some sort of a problem, murphy will always be there to kick you in the balls when you least expect it.

Are you prepared for the time and frustration ? Also you need a working pc to download the motherboard drivers and burn them to a DVD - things like that.

Even a complete layman like me can do it but be prepared for a couple set backs
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#10 - 2011-11-04 15:04:56 UTC
its not that bad anymore, the sandy bridge platform will make all the hardware work. It may not bench well on the first boot up but it should all be working enough to get online and download stuff. The BIOS has improved vastly over the past decade. Now we have something called the UEFI bios which supports keyboard and Mouse controls and generally looks better. The board he is getting even has extensive overclocking ability and can overclock itself at the push of a button. It can even do overclocking from within the OS if you are so inclined. Newegg has a video on it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lajZi-JAFXA

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Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-04 15:17:07 UTC
Why are you going with Micro ATX, instead of a full ATX?

Also, Sparkle cards generally suck. Get XFX, Asus, Gigabyte, or MSI.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#12 - 2011-11-04 15:52:32 UTC
the gene z is a great board, it is an ROG board with 2 PCIe slots instead of 4. It has all the other features, 4 DIMMs a similar number of sata ports and best of all some really great overclocking. All for 180$, which is 20$ cheaper than the full size ASUS pro, 60$ cheaper than the EVO and 160$ cheaper than the maximus Series. If you are going 1 card then you only need that one slot and can save some money.

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SabotNoob
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-04 16:09:13 UTC
This is the case that I got last year:

Coolmaster HAF 932

It's very big and very heavy.

The HAF 932 also has wheels, so moving it around is easy since it's quite heavy. It has quite a few fans as well. I decided to go all out on the case since I didn't want to replace the case over and over again. I can probably keep this case for years to come while just upgrading the internal components.

I think it also has the option for liquid cooling and you would have to buy a separate kit for that, but I haven't looked into that yet.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#14 - 2011-11-04 16:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Berendas
Lithalnas wrote:
the gene z is a great board, it is an ROG board with 2 PCIe slots instead of 4. It has all the other features, 4 DIMMs a similar number of sata ports and best of all some really great overclocking. All for 180$, which is 20$ cheaper than the full size ASUS pro, 60$ cheaper than the EVO and 160$ cheaper than the maximus Series. If you are going 1 card then you only need that one slot and can save some money.



I'm only going with 1 card for now, but I haven't ruled out the possibility of getting a second one in the future.

Edit: I did some more looking and found this MSI card, same GB and bit rating as the Sparkle I found before, but with better clock ratings for only about $40 more. The price difference doesn't seem bad at all with all the negative feedback on Sparkle. Any thoughts on this new one? I'm not sure what to check for to know if it is compatible with the rest of my machine.


Also, I derped and forgot to put up an optical drive, but those are simpler parts so I assume there is very little research necessary?
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-04 17:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Berendas wrote:
Lithalnas wrote:
the gene z is a great board, it is an ROG board with 2 PCIe slots instead of 4. It has all the other features, 4 DIMMs a similar number of sata ports and best of all some really great overclocking. All for 180$, which is 20$ cheaper than the full size ASUS pro, 60$ cheaper than the EVO and 160$ cheaper than the maximus Series. If you are going 1 card then you only need that one slot and can save some money.



I'm only going with 1 card for now, but I haven't ruled out the possibility of getting a second one in the future.

Edit: I did some more looking and found this MSI card, same GB and bit rating as the Sparkle I found before, but with better clock ratings for only about $40 more. The price difference doesn't seem bad at all with all the negative feedback on Sparkle. Any thoughts on this new one? I'm not sure what to check for to know if it is compatible with the rest of my machine.


Also, I derped and forgot to put up an optical drive, but those are simpler parts so I assume there is very little research necessary?


Optical drives are easy, just make sure its a SATA one. Some of the cheap optical drives still use IDE ribbons. Some other tips for building your first machine, take your time and read and watch as many guides as possible like this one;Basic PC building.

Another thing I found when building my first, be careful when fitting the CPU heatsink, they take a scary amount of force to fit. Also sometimes things can be a tight squeeze, even in the larger cases. Finally you should be able to check the full compatibility of all your parts on the manufacturers website, they publish test sheets showing exactly what parts they have tested with each other and if there are any issues, start with the motherboard.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-04 17:35:51 UTC
Sebero Sinak wrote:
When you cobble together your own system you run into unforseen problems - like programing the bios. That was my scary one.

I didn't know crap about programming a bios, but by reading online and making a call to a small pc repair shop i gained the confidence to do it. It may not be optimized but it works.

My point is you will have some sort of a problem, murphy will always be there to kick you in the balls when you least expect it.

Are you prepared for the time and frustration ? Also you need a working pc to download the motherboard drivers and burn them to a DVD - things like that.

Even a complete layman like me can do it but be prepared for a couple set backs

What a load of bull crap.

You never program a BIOS. You either use the one you have or you download newer BIOS from manufacturer and install it.

Most manufacturers even say not to touch BIOS unless you absolutely have to. A good example is this: you buy motherboard, build a computer. A few months later you want to upgrade the cpu with a brand new one. Your motherboard does not support the new cpu. You go to manufacturer website and see if they have BIOS update. If they do! If the new BIOS will let motherboard talk to new cpu! Then you might consider installing new BIOS, and even then, it is possible to brick the motherboard.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Reiisha
#17 - 2011-11-04 17:50:42 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys. There seems to be a lot of hate towards Sparkle, so I'll definitely take another look at some cards. The reason I chose that one first was because it was a pretty cheap 2GB 256bit card, but I guess you get what you pay for. As for my OS, I was going to go with Windows 7 64 bit, as I have a spare copy.

If anyone else notices anything please let me know Smile


Bits don't matter, performance does.



Otherwise:

Ditch the 460, get a 560 for a slightly higher price, or even the 560ti. Both those latter ones also have the massive benefit of not running as hot and needing slightly less power.

Ditch the PSU, it's far too powerful. Get a quality 600-650w Seasonic or XFX unit, which will be more than enough. Don't bother "planning for SLI" - Not worth the trouble for the casual user.

Ditch the 2400, get the i5 2500k. No reason not to.

Think about getting the Asus P8P67 Pro as your motherboard - No real reason why you would really need a more expensive board. Maybe even leave the Pro and get the normal version, it has everything you need.

Only get a wifi adapter if you have no other choice. Wired is ALWAYS prefered, especially for a desktop PC which you won't be moving anyway. Wifi is okay if you're fine with getting disconnected once in a while whenever it snows, rains, fogs, earthquakes or when you're sneezing or talking, or if anyone in a 2 mile radius uses anything wireless. Seriously though, wifi communication is easily interupted, and since you have a desktop PC i don't see why you would need the wifi adapter unless it's 100% impossible to get a wire into the room.

$1000 for your original setup seems a bit expensive. I've been able to squeeze an SSD in mine and that was 4 months ago. I'd recommend a Hitachi anyway, currently they seem to be a little more reliable (for a normal HDD). Also consider getting an extra hdd, whether you're getting an SSD or not. At least remember to partition the disk before using it! No point letting Windows have more than 96-128GB, if you keep all your programs and files etc on another partition it makes a windows reinstall really easy aswell.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#18 - 2011-11-04 20:03:43 UTC
I am updating a lot of the parts in the OP based on advice and some cost effectiveness, probably more changes to come.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#19 - 2011-11-04 20:05:08 UTC
The case is great, i've used Antec for several builds and you can't go wrong with them. Also, while the above poster might be right about the PSU being overpowered, consider that it is one of the longer lasting components you will buy, and can last several builds. I recently replaced my first PSU only because today's GFX cards use more power than those i originally used. When pricing the new PSU i found a 1000W only slightly more expensive than the 500W i first used (less than $100). So I bought a 1000W even though it's more than i currently need and am salvaging my original for another build. If you can afford it, it might be worth getting more than you need. (plus, the modular ones are nice!)

As for the GFX, as others have stated, go with a known brand; (i.e. EVGA, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI)

I agree with above poster on the wifi adapter. I always have friends asking me to come over and trouble shoot their wifi issues. use a cable unless there's no other choice.

Other than that, your build looks good. Protip: when attempting a new build, make sure you have another computer with internet access available. You can troubleshoot just about any problem with google search. just search the part model number you think may be at issue with the word "support" or "forum" and you're bound to come across someone that has had the same issue in the past. GL.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#20 - 2011-11-04 20:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Berendas
Didn't mean to post.
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