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Does Tengu Need a Nerf?
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Djakku
U Subbed M8
#61 - 2011-11-03 20:49:20 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
just saying, this cruiser is capable of numbers like 670dps while omnitanking 900dps, for example. it is the gold standard in PVE, and there isnt really a reason to fly anything else (at cruiser/BC level). Tengu is the go-to PVE boat, and people dont have a reason to use anything else.

should it be this way?


Those stats you mentioned are less than a Battleship, why do you think the Tengu needs a nerf again?

The ship is fine, it's a T3, it's supposed to be good, don't forget a lot of T3's are pimped, if anything needs changing the skill requirements should be greater (if you consider how much training is required for command ships and thier performance compared to a T3)
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#62 - 2011-11-03 20:52:01 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
Nerf 100mn AB Tengu!! Isk shouldn't buy you such an advantage over other players!!


Let's just remove ISK too then!

Yay!

... idiot.


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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2011-11-04 11:04:00 UTC
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
BUFF LOKI


Yea, lets make minmatar the best in this category too What?

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#64 - 2011-11-04 12:04:58 UTC
Djakku wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
just saying, this cruiser is capable of numbers like 670dps while omnitanking 900dps, for example. it is the gold standard in PVE, and there isnt really a reason to fly anything else (at cruiser/BC level). Tengu is the go-to PVE boat, and people dont have a reason to use anything else.

should it be this way?


Those stats you mentioned are less than a Battleship, why do you think the Tengu needs a nerf again?

The ship is fine, it's a T3, it's supposed to be good, don't forget a lot of T3's are pimped, if anything needs changing the skill requirements should be greater (if you consider how much training is required for command ships and thier performance compared to a T3)



This tbh, T3's should have crap command subs and not be has right now better than Command ships you need a lot more training to get in to.

Also: make those dam bonus on grid only, bring Command ships on the field and the choice of taking those down a real strategie instead of improbable T3's 80AU from the battlefield or hugging the pos playing poker ...
Dado Prso
Simply The Best.
#65 - 2011-11-04 12:10:25 UTC
legion needs nuet range bonus
Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#66 - 2011-11-04 12:12:42 UTC
I think Buffy needs buffing.
Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
#67 - 2011-11-04 12:16:15 UTC
Yes it should, leave it alone. Go complain about SC's more. Tengus are fine. Shoo.

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#68 - 2011-11-04 12:20:30 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
wish other T3's were capable of even remotely similar numbers in PVE.

Fixed it for you, sadly it doesn't "just" apply to the caring part of Eve but as far as I am concerned it has nothing to do with the ship and everything to do with HML.

Cut HML range by 25% and they will be balanced with gun options.
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#69 - 2011-11-04 12:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Tronic
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
Nerf 100mn AB Tengu!! Isk shouldn't buy you such an advantage over other players!!

Yo bro, I heard you can web them so they get ******. Neuts also **** them. LEARN TO PLAY.

You are like all the other whiners who cry in local because a nano gang won't brawl at zero with 40 abaddons.


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This tbh, T3's should have crap command subs and not be has right now better than Command ships you need a lot more training to get in to.

The thing with the command T3s, they usually have absolutely no tank and no dps whatsoever. They need co-processors wasitng their slots just to fit everything.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#70 - 2011-11-04 12:41:28 UTC
why do t1 and t3 ships have 3 rigs and t2 have 2?
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2011-11-04 12:46:45 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
why do t1 and t3 ships have 3 rigs and t2 have 2?


Good question.

Also, why did CCP not want to make T2 ships (marauders black ops etc) SOLOWTFPWN-mobiles when that rule isn't applied to T3-cruisers?
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#72 - 2011-11-04 13:05:39 UTC
Did not read every post, but i have to say it! I'm tired of all these nerf this cause it works threads. If one ship/gun works and ten other don't, maybe you should fix the other ten. Not sure why so many pilot want evey ship to preform like a rookie ship. If you want a rookie ship, fly a rookie ship. Or are you mad you don't have the SP to fly Mach, Dram,Tengu or whatever. I just think the topic header for these threads should be, "Nerf it cause I can't fly it".

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
kyrv
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#73 - 2011-11-04 13:09:35 UTC
I've kept the Tengu and lost the loki, loki needs just.. more
stoicfaux
#74 - 2011-11-04 13:30:07 UTC
If you want to nerf the PvE Tengu, then drop the 10% missile velocity bonus. That would drop HML range down to ~70km. Then nerf HML range down to ~50km (increase speed, reduce flight time of heavy missiles.)

It would still be better than the other PvE T3 configs, but not as blatantly.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#75 - 2011-11-04 13:46:49 UTC
Mystical Might wrote:
I see This chain occuring;


Nerf the Tengu!!
Ohno, Now Loki is OP. Nerf the Loki!!
Ohno, Now the Legion is OP, Nerf the Legion !!!
Ohno, Now the Proteus is OP, Nerf the Proteus!!
Ohno, Now the Tengu is OP, Nerf the Tengu!!

Just imagine it repeated down the page.
OR, you can accept that different ships are good at different things and move on?
Or fly a different ship.


+1

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BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#76 - 2011-11-04 13:49:37 UTC
Tengu is fine, if you want buff the other ships, but they do a excel in other areas that the tengu NEver will. Loki with webs, proteus cloaky, legion with massive buffer and hams. Yeah tengu is easy to fly i'll give you guys that. Maybe training should be harder, but it does take forever to get your missile skills up to par with a faction battleship for pve and the faction battleships are still better than the tengu is if you do your mission right.

whoever said 700 dps with a monster tank is just full of **** unless he's dropping over 3bil on a pve tengu which is just an utter waste of money.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#77 - 2011-11-04 13:58:39 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:


Good question.

Also, why did CCP not want to make T2 ships (marauders black ops etc) SOLOWTFPWN-mobiles when that rule isn't applied to T3-cruisers?


Another good question!

Aslo, why do field command ships have nerfed t2 resists where fleet commands don't?
Frieg Vostroyan
The People Who Hate People Party
#78 - 2011-11-04 14:07:05 UTC
The problem with the tengu is that it can so easily fit larger class tank mods. My WH tengu had 500+ dps, and 1900 dps omni tank, stable at 50% for 1.5 bil isk. That should really be possible for a cruiser or , it should be possible for all the T3s. Maybe the tengu just needs a cpu nerf so it can't fit both tank and gank.

Fit was something like....
5 T2 HM launchers

gist b extra larger shield booster
2 T2 shield boost amps
3 T2 hardeners

3 caldari navy BCUs
2 T2 cap relays.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2011-11-04 14:24:44 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
why do t1 and t3 ships have 3 rigs and t2 have 2?
Because T2 ships are specialised on one task and giving them too many rig slots would let them somewhat break out of that specialisation.
Goose99
#80 - 2011-11-04 14:26:29 UTC
Balance for pvp, not pve. Tengu is a glorified overpriced drake in pvp. /thread