Science & Industry

Sure, but hope there isn't a bubble gang waiting for you setting up a trap for the greedy.

Why not, it's the very best way to meet the owners of said random nullsec. Make no mistake about it, you mine/rat/plex/mission in a nullsec not belonging to your Corp and the owners will stop by to say hello, they might even bring along some fireworks for your viewing pleasure.

Wait. Waitwaitwait. Miners... miners might get blown up because of this change?

How could they have missed this huge and clearly unintended side effect of the Odyssey changes?!?!?

says the person who wets himself at the thought of going outside highsec

it's always the people terrified of leaving highsec talking at length about how safe null is

Two words. Cyno bait.

I just see it as sad that ccp is making it easyer for a defenceless industrial ship to be killed. Not enough our resists were ****** about a patch ago but now the belts are instawarps?

Setting up will take longer but WH miners still won't be screwed.

I don't know how other people go about this but when I'm mining in the WH I take some precautions.

1) I bubble the exit and only mine when we have one exit (which in our WH is most of the time)
2) I put a cloaky scout in a blackbird on the exit so I can see when people come in and possibly warp in the cavalry in a throw-away ship. The scout also has combat probes out to watch for possible new exits spawning that I don't have scouted (the only thing that has ever gotten me ganked)
3) I put all the other characters in belt at different roids (not all on the same one) so if a lone cloaky happened to be camping in the WH, worst case is that I lose one mining ship
4) all the miners have ecm drones and an ECM module. (for a lone cloaky you can align, hope for a hit on time and warp)

Conversely, all of the miners I kill now I get by pre-scanning the grav sites and leaving a cloaky in their WH watching the POS while I do other things. Sometimes people log on and go mining but I don't need probes to find them.

In other words, for me personally things won't change much after the patch.... aside from that people will probably be mining less due to doing more ice mining and fears of gankers, so I'll probably make more isk.

lol, yeah because PVPers actually sit on their thumbs protecting miners with the hopes a ganking fleet will come by and attack them.

I have been on many null sec mining ops, at most there is one combat ship just there tp pop the rats so the mining fleet can fit for max yield, and that is usually an Alt/main of one of the miners. When I solo mined it was with 3-4 accounts, and I would have my ORCA in belt with a combat ship or two in the Ship Maintenance Bay just in case it was needed. But neither of these fleets was set up for protection against ganks. When under threat from a roaming gang we would warp to a POS. This did not happen often as the hidden belts we were in had to be scanned down. We would all be watching D-scan for probes when ever a neut was in system. If we saw probes we warped.

With the new system you can not rely on watching D-scan as there will be no probes to see. The threat is usually from cloaky campers so you will not see their cloaked ship on D-scan either. On June 4th null sec mining in hidden belts will go from enough warning of a threat to warp out, to not knowing until they decloak right beside you. This is not something a defensive fleet can solve, that cloaky canper likely has a cyno. Even if the PVPers were willing to sit there and protect you, which most are not.